In what year do you think the world will implode?

bird_migration · Jun 5, 2004

themnax said:

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this is basicly correct. monetary economics will implode, the oil will run out and a lot of people will get a lot hungryer then they are now, especialy joe sixpacks who can't immagine it happining in THEIR comfort zone. rocks and trees won't be too directly effected. the one problem with hunting and gathering is that our existing population levels are several tens of times as many as can count on surviving that way. but that doesn't mean everybody will starve, only that those who live in cities, think they can bullie their neighbors into keeping them alive and don't know what "weeds and small critters to eat" and which will make them sick and possibly poison them.
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comfort zone does depend on infrasturcture and infrastructure does depend on cooperative group effort but cooperative group effort doesn't depend on hierarchy, oil or little green pieces of paper. people will only starve for as long as it takes a majority to figgure that out.
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we will see some highly vissible resaults of global climate drift resaulting from what we've already done to the atmosphere and the land depending on automobiles and combustion powered electrical generation. well one is already vissible, every glacier on the planet simultaniously shrinking. sea levels are rising as a resault. total sea rise will not be spectacular in amount. probably only a few inches or at most a few feet. but many coastal cities will have wet basements as a resault. remember the volume of ice is six times the volume of the water that went into it so as it melts the amount of sea rise is only 1/6th the amount of ice melted. most geophysica/geoclimitalogical effects will be subtle and gradual. it is the socio-cultural effects of global monitary instability and the ereversable consumption of fossle fuel reserves that will be the most dramatic both politicly and in our individual lives.
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we may get more wars, but even their dire consiquences will pale by comparison to the sociopolitical effects of oil depletion and global monetary colapse.
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rocks and trees will not be greatly effected and for most little furry creatures with big sharp teeth anything that reduces our numbers and consumption will likely be something of a reprieve.
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how dramatic any of this will or will not be is just about impossible to say. but it will continue to come on as a worsining of existing conditions. there isn't going to be some bell sound and we all start floating away and leaving our bodys behind or any of that kind of aligorical fantacy stuff fanatics are so fond of
(we may even have already seen the worst it's going to get, but somehow i kind of doubt that either. a LOT reamains up to policy choices now and over the next few years. i think if we continue to worship the automobile and kiss the posteriors of oil and lumber companies and try and scapegoat everything that doesn't begin and end with little green pieces of paper, it think that's the biggest mistake we could possible make. on the other hand if we adopt more sensable policies favoring more sustainable alternatives we could save ourselves a LOT of pain. almost certainly there will continue to be a mix of both as long as this is possible, and how much of which will be in the mix is anyone's guess but that is what will determine how painful what resaults will be, and will do so whatever anyone does or does not choose to believe in, though there are a couple of subtle ways that factors in, one is personal psychological comfort and the other is that actualy individual priority patterns (and thus the collective incentives they create) are to some considerable degree influenced by ambient social values)
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HerbuhLovuh · Jun 5, 2004

*grins*Very exciting. 2012. Wohooo!

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