Soaring eagle is correct, you are allowed to say what you want but we have organised different forums for different subjects I am sure you will find one that fits your agenda if not there is always 'Random Thoughts' .
I'd take him more seriously if he would stop saying 'amen' after everything.. hehe.. I wonder if he's like that in real life as well.. "let's watch Star Trek again. Amen".. hehe..
there are more exacting versions than the king james, I can point out, off the top of my head in fact a point where it varies from the original version, the original text, in the story of the loaves and the fishes (jesus, sermon on the mount, ring a bell?) the kjv speaks of baskets in the original greek the word is actually closers to hampers, the remnant of crumbs is actually a much larger amount than the kjv would lead you to believe also in the kjv the stone was "rolled away" from jesus' tomb, in the "original" text it was rolled up and away you are worse than any pagan blood orgy heathen, you pretend to be saved and better than others but truly you seek refuge in the earthly church, remove the plank from your own eye before you seek the splinter in your neighbors.....
it's a perspective issue, and technically certain species (best word I can think of) of pagan are down there with gay people and female church leaders...... seeing however that I don't have a problem with female church leaders
I have no clue what you mean with '..are down there with'.. like.. they are what fundy christians view as 'evil' or something? Well duh, because pagans usually per definition don't believe in the strict Christian dogma's You seem to have a problem with gay people?
yes down there with means as evil as per 100% pure fundy spec, of course 100% pure fundy spec is still trying to foist the whole old testament on people whilst the new testament mitigates a great many portions, and as I see this done I see gift shops in fundy churches and I hear "christian" radio stations and "christian" television stations being for profit and selling "christian" products as though they were endorsed by god..... didn't jesus overturn a few tables in a certain temple telling certain merchans to leave his fathers house? burn the sinners in your own church before you start flailing out buddy, find the skimming pastors, the gift shop churches, the products that are sold on merit of being god "endorsed" splinter, beam, sound familiar? btw the latter part was me starting back on the hypocrite (which if you have actually read your bible you'll realize is a bad thing) at the beginning........
and I don't have a problem w\ gay people the coment that I didn't have a problem w\ female church leaders and the emoticon was supposed to be a "cute" way of saying that I have no problem with any of those three groups, not fully convinced that pagans are going to heaven, but it's their souls and I have a lot of shit in my own church and life to worry about before I start worrying about converting pagans.....
Well.. I'm not a Christian and even though the Bible definately has some good parts, I can find a lot of wisdom in other literature as well For believing who goes to heaven and who doesn't, you would first have to believe in a heaven. After that is established, there would be the problem of defining heaven and defining the 'pearly gate policy'. Who's in, who's out. Can only a few chosen folk go in or is every childrapist that has 'seen the light' and was 'born again' ok? Or are there certain special treatments for people who did bad things previous to their convertion? The only thing I know for sure about stuff like this is.. we don't know anything. That's why it's called 'having faith' and 'believing'. You believe certain things to be true. But you will never know for 100% sure.. and that's a fact When talking to a friend of mine yesterday I heard the argument that atheists are always 'so negative'. The same is said about buddhist who only seem to focus on the 'suffering'. I do see that, that a lot of people seek refugee in religion and almost want to believe that there is a god that will take care of you. He might give you some tests, but there are always the 'footsteps in the sand'.. and if you just keep on believing it, you have a pretty good chance of going to heaven no matter how fucked up and hard your life is now. That sounds really comforting, I must agree. Too bad I don't buy it
child rapists can go to heaven if they accept god as their saviour, it isn't action based, though I doubt that there are many there because you have to admit to yourself what you did and repent, repentance can be a nasty process and the point of faith is that you cannot "know" it you have to make that leap, if you could "know" that god were real everyone would go to heaven, no faith or anything would be involved and it'd be a let everyone in club.....
So god made a game out of it? He doesn't want all of us in heaven so he keeps it all a big mystery? If he truly is so powerfull, he could do way more to convince people and help them staying out of Satans hands.. you might answer that he gave us the Bible and his Son.. but you have to admit that the Bible isn't exactly the best written, most coherent book ever.. and that Jesus would have been way better understood if he would just have written the bloody thing himself.
you see i used to both showing up people like you now i just remember there isnt a god so i cant be fuck.....you here that FUCK. dont see no god coming down and killing me. You dumb fucking piece of bible preaching SHIT!
In this current lawless age -(Hardly) in which it has become fashionable to take Jesus Christ down from your altars of worship and put your genitals up there instead-(its always been that way) I realize that there is a convenient charge which can be hurled against those like myself who wish to honor God's precepts by those who seek only to stay drunk with their own mocking witticisms and that charge is so called close-mindedness.-(Don't force your fucking religion on other people and that wont happen.) However it should be painfully yet mind-numbingly obvious to both the unholy lot of homosexual non-KJV reading liberal wussies as well as of course to the tattooed heavy metal wife beating crowd that limits and boundaries are vital to your physical health as you would never leave your apartment door wide open in a dangerous ghetto and Clint my rugged Texan mustang this is the part where I point out the obvious fact that limits and boundaries are also vital to one's mental and spiritual health. Amen.- (You drone.) An open mind leaves one vulnerable to all sorts of dirt and corruption and although I am not advocating a strictly closed mind I do think a firmly latched screen door might be in order if that is not too much for your tiny lust-clogged brains to grasp. Amen.- (That doesn't justify being arrogant. That is contradictory to what Jesus said, pick a different savior if your going to be that way, like John.)
Also actually a close mind leaves you open to all sorts of corruption, but all people are susceptible to programming. If your not rich and your republican your stupid, and if you are rich and your republican your greedy. I mean like a Bush republican not like a conservative republican since they are a little bit different.