In search of your input on my dreadlock "goal"

My cousin was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis, an inflammatory bowel disease. This was determined by colonoscopy.

He was so severely ill that he could literally not eat without feeling nauseous and vomiting after eating for about two weeks.

This was no "oh meat is the easy way out" situation. He was going to get worse and maybe even die if he didn't eat meat.

So tell me, if you were going to die or eat meat what would you do?

 

natty, you seem to find ways to get angry/defensive about things that were never intended to start a problem.

donbk was just stating his opinion- i doubt he meant anything bad towards your cousin, especially considering your cousin's condition (which donbk knew nothing of)

peace?

 

i mean.. i really do not see how me stating my cousins condition and then asking him how eating meat is wrong is getting angry or defensive.

 

i'm just saying, you seemed a little defensive with the "This was no "oh meat is the easy way out" situation. He was going to get worse and maybe even die if he didn't eat meat.

So tell me, if you were going to die or eat meat what would you do?"

i'm not trying to cause a problem with you just saying i don't think everyone else is trying to start a fight either.

i have no issue with you

 

Thanks for the responses RooRshack.

Thanks for the comprehensive response

So, you're not rasta yourself? Have you ever considered yourself rasta? When/ why/ why aren't you now?

When you speak of His Majesty, are you referring to Yeshua, Haile Selassie, God, or all of them ie. God in all his forms?

Where does this information come from, regarding the vow? That's part of what I was asking when I asked about interpretations. The information has to come from somewhere. You mentioned scripture. Which translation? From what little I read, the first known written explanation of the vow was in the Torah. The translation I read doesn't mention anything about styling hair with hands or anything else- just mentions not cutting.

Or does the rasta vow come from other written sources, or oral histories.. ?

If it's from the Torah, then either they have a wildly different translation (which wouldn't be surprising) or someone's just gone 'okay, this whole not eating grapes & wine thing is probably all about alcohol.. that would make sense right?' and rewritten it in more literal language, according to their interpretation.

actually, you said "the Vow mentions that grooming of the locs with one’s hands is fine" which insinuates that it's written. Could you direct me to that?

thanks again

 

That's because Don made a comment like "eating meat is taking the easy way out" and i was offended by that. That's not true at all for some situations that desperately call for meat to be consumed.

 

Ahoy ... I would die, definitely, wouldn't even have too much thought go into it. Life after death is a continuation of life before death ... not eating meat not only defines my life now, but in the future too.

Bro, you ask a question about culture and then you attack as soon as you have the answer. Now, like I mentioned, I reckon you just taking the p*ss anyway, but I sincerely hope you are learning something from these threads that you start on this forum, otherwise all this typing is a waste of time.

You mentioned Robert Nester Marley in the beginning of this thread; well He died because of the treatment He refused at first, that was His beliefs. I'm not here to validate why some peeps bend on their beliefs and why others don't ... the only part I want in this thread is any discussions relating to the Vow.

On that, there is something that I need to expand on and it has to do with Christianity. Yeshua / Jesus claimed that only through Him can someone enter the Gates of Zion, and may Christians now days accept that what was being referred to is living a lifestyle that is in context to the one He lived ... and that's where the Vow comes in.

If you read through the New Testament, you'll see continual references to this, abstaining from wine, not partaking in the lamb and fish feasts, not consuming the wine, not cutting His locs ... the first time it is refereed to is when Yeshua meats John The Baptist, and John points out that Yeshua has been 'Under the Vow' for longer than Him and that He should be baptised by Yeshua ...

Ahoy KK, it all depends on one’s view of ‘natural’, for some cultures in the East for example, Buddha, Krishna etc … eating meat is the opposite and a hindrance to enlightenment.

In Biblical context, it’s pointed out in Genesis that ‘the lion and lamb once lived in harmony’. It also points out in Genesis that Cain never ate meat, which is what the big issue over the blessing was.

But ja, it’s all about how one wants to live their lives and that’s personal.

On a social / political level, my views on alcohol and meat are connected to decreasing natural resources in the world

One Love ... One Blood!

 

Ahoy Ficks, Man, capitalism calls, but I'll respond properly a bit later when I finish

One Love!

 

well done, once again, don.
i just wanted to add to the point that was made about meat. the point is that you can get everything that you need without eating any animal products. and a closed-minded society and meat industry has made you to think otherwise.

 

hey... isn't he the one who killed his brother? :O maybe it was his lack of eating meat haha (this is a joke... no one get all pissed off preferably )

 

lol yea ok. my cousin was a vegetarian his whole life and decided to eat meat to recover from his disease. he also has his own website about cooking and has a masters degree from twin cities. pretty sure he knew that he had to eat meat.

 

I was a vegetarian for about 7 years (I didn't eat red meat or chicken for the first five years and the last two I eliminated fish as well). I now eat meat again (although I try hard to avoid pork).

Don, I too await your reply to fickle. I love learning. =)

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Also, I wanted to share some biblical passages about eating meat as I've been reading a discussion elsewhere about this very topic. It seems relevant to show how the bible seems to contradict what it says about meat eating.

No Meat

Isaiah 1:11,1: "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? Saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offering of rams, and the fat of beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of goats. When ye spread forth your hands, I will hide Mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear, for your hands are full of blood."

Genesis Chapter One, Verses 29 and 30:
29" And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so".

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(this is text that someone posted... thought it was relevant)
There is no mention in this passage of any animal eating any other animal.
King James translated the word, "meat" into every instance in his version of the Bible in which people have a meal, regardless of what they were eating.
After the flood, there were few plants as they had drowned under water.
It was at this time that God allowed people to eat animals.
It was a time of need, with no other food available.

Eat Meat

Romans 14:2-4, 14 ;Paul said, "One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand...As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. "

 

I dont mean any offense here...Im sorry your cousin was struck so violently ill...hope he/she is better. =] However....how would eating meat save ones life? Especially with a bowel disease? Meat is heavier on the stomach than a veggie diet so wouldnt eating meat make an inflammaotry bowel dysfunction worse?

 

No matter what he ate he was going to feel nauseous and often vomit it up afterwards. So no matter what he was eating... he'd be storing minimal nutrients from whatever he ate. The doctors and my cousin both knew that if he ate meat, he'd retain more nutrients from it even if he vomited it back out. He went on his dietary guide and eventually got better. I think he would still be sick today if he hadn't taken the sacrifice of eating meat.

 

ok, once again you are taking offense and putting words in people's mouth. i never said or inferred that meat couldn't help you become or maintain being healthy. i just said that eating non-animal products (i.e. things from the earth, the sunshine diet) will give you all of the nutrition that your require. also, having a medical background, it makes sense that foods high in fat (meat) are more likely to irritate the digestive system.

 

but meat is only good for protein, some iron, and some omega stuff right? Veggies, fruits, whole grains, lentils, eggs, all have that stuff too and are less harsh. I dunno.. I dont have a degree in medical stuff nor do I feel like doing a google search...it just makes more sense to me that drinking smoothies with protein boosts would be better on a sick stomach then meat.

 

if non-meat could give my cousin all of the nutrition he required, why would he, a lifetime vegetarian, decide to eat meat?

if non-meat could give my cousin all of the nutrition he required, why would the doctors, with phd's, decide to place him on a dietary guide that included meat?

 

just want to say that meat takes way longer to digest than fruits and veggies so no you won't absorb more nutrients eating meat when sick.

i've had stomach problems in the past after they had to remove my gallbladder because it was shutting down and the doctors told me to steer clear of beef, pork and any other meat that wasn't low in saturated fat(which two of the top low fat meats are chicken and some fishes) for 6months to a year and also because meats like that are heavy foods that take longer to digest

so why would my surgeon and family doctor tell me to lay off the meat when i had stomach problems if meats are soooooooooooo great for stomach problems?

just thought you would like some hostility in return but what im saying is true not just to be mean

 

So instead of answering my legitimate question, you bring up a new one with a different scenario that doesn't apply to my cousins scenario. Then you compare the two?

Yea you're not stupid or anything.

 

stomach problems are stomach problems no matter what type your stomach will respond better to lite foods better than heavy foods

yeah you're not retarded or anything