In search of your input on my dreadlock "goal"

I agree.

 

sorry HDH, i didn't mean to offend you, or anyone else
i thought the fact that i stated that i was making an 'utterly ridiculous, broad, sweeping statement' was a sort of disclaimer for the fact that i was about to do just that
i don't actually believe that monogamy is always a lie at all, i was attempting to highlight how silly the statement the OP made (that i quoted) was by saying something equally as ridiculous
again, i'm sorry for being unclear - the internet makes sarcasm a little hard to see sometimes
i really don't think i deserved a neg rep for that though, and i'd appreciate if you waited for my response with something like that before doing that next time

<3

 

There is a big difference between people practicing their polygamy outside of a marriage and inside of a marriage and another big difference is whether or not they belong to a community that discourages such practice [within a marriage.]

So for example, we have a group of people who are polygamists. 1 or more of these people is in a marriage, and belongs to a Religion that teaches this is wrong. There is no justification in that scenario.

On the other hand, we have a different group of people who are also polygamists. None of them are married and none of them belong to a Religion that teaches against it. You could argue justification in this scenario. Although I personally would still find it unjust.

 

what difference does it make if they are married or not? the difference, i would argue, lies in consent from their spouse(s)

the religion thing i'm not even touching as logic seems to run out of the room when dogma comes in to play

 

How about we put aside all things Religion. There now that that's out of the way let's talk about why this is really something you shouldn't do.

This is what you're promising when you get married: I promise to love you and only you unconditionally, no matter what happens.

If you break these rules, you are breaking a promise you made to yourself and your spouse and potentially to God as well.

Try not to pull the religion card as often as possible.

 

Before you say people can't be committed to one person in a marriage, here's my automatic response : Then don't get married.

 

I personally could never have multiple partners. I like having just one to dote on and share myself with. I think having more than one boyfriend would drive me insane. I think people who are polygomous [spellcheck?] do so cuz they are looking more for a sexual connection then a romantic connection....not to say that polygamous people dont care for or even love on some level the many people they're banging...but when you bang chika bang bang more than one person at a time it's obvious that sex is at the forefront of your agenda?

 

nattyfredlocks - i agree about not marrying if you can't commit to just one person... unless both you and your partner feel the same way about the issue, and choose to marry each other knowing that you will both have other partners outside of the marriage

mandy - polygamy is predominantly about a sexual connection, you're right, but sexual connections create emotional connections (endorphins tell us we 'love' and all that) which means these relationships often end up being a lot more than the initial only-sexual thing it began as. but yeah, the priority seems to lie in physical gratification
an excellent book on the subject is 'the ethical slut' ( http://www.pdf-search-engine.com/bo...-slut-html-happybadger.com/t/ethicalslut.html )
i find the whole subject totally fascinating, and even more so, finding out where the 'balance' is for different individuals... some people want 10 partners, that to me, would be way too much to handle... some want only one, for me, that gets stagnant pretty quickly
whatever floats yer boat hey!

 

Good points Phoenix...however I think endorphins being released after sex is not equivalent to really learning to love somebody. I think endorphins cause infatuation...love grows with time and takes dedication and work.

 

you're definately right - feeling like you 'love' and really behaving like you love are two very different things indeed

 

From what I've seen or heard Moron polygamist supposedly marry and sex more than one person for reproduction. You know how the older a lady gets the less fertile she is, so they marry and try to procreate with someone younger. I am not sure why they want so many children but to them it is serving the Lord by having lots of kids.

 

i think there should be a limit of four or less kids per married couple for the simple fact that we are over populated

i mean have you seen the show 19 kids and counting? its ridiculous

 

even a family of 4 children is effectively going to double the population again if everyone were to do that

very touchy subject though... telling people they can or cannot have children and if so, how many

 

did you mean "Mormon" polygamists? lol.


I agree with dreadedsunflower...I dont understand why people feel a need to have more than 1-2 kids. It's so irresponsible nowdays. I cant stand reality TV shows of huge families! They keep reproducing and then landing a TV deal is like the only way they can afford to support their 5 million children. It makes me sick. Have 1-2 kids if you must then adopt puppies or something if you need to fulfill the over zealous urge to mother even more!!!!

 

Oops maybe a slip. I did mean Mormon.

 

Best Typo Ever

 

I don't think it is ridiculous. They aren't living off the government, they are very frugal and earn all their money. It isn't like they are asking for donations or accepting food stamps and welfare. I don't really like them but to say they shouldn't have that many children is wrong because they obviously can care for them better than people with 1 child.

 

It's ridiculous not because of the money or the child care, but because they are doing the world immeasurable harm by causing that sort of overpopulation. 2 children is fine, 3 is ok, 1 is fine, none is fine, but 19 is outragous.

I take personal offence when someone tells me it's their reproductive right to have that many children. They do not have the right to doom much of humanity (in the future, obviously) to awful death for want or disease.

Perhaps you've heard that my right to punch you in the nose ends where your nose begins? Not sure if it's a legit proverb, but I remember my dad using it to explain the concept of rights to me when I was a small child. The same applies here. Their right to overpopulate the world and choke out my (responsible number of)offspring ends where my (responsible number of offspring)'s livelyhood begins.

And yes, one family having 19 kids is a big deal. not because they make the difference, but because of the influence they make, it is a big deal. Their children grew up in that sort of household, and see that as normal, and are likely to develop the same child hoarding issues that their parents have. And it makes the case that people can argue that those people on TV are fine with their 19 kids. And little kids see it. And it infects people, essentially.


I don't have the right to go shit all over peoples things because I have an asshole, I can't go beat people up because I have fists, I can't go bite people because I have teeth, and in the same manner, those people can not spray their flawed genetics all over the world just because they have a uterus.

 

say you have two kids and you decide you want more wouldn't it be a smarter idea to adopt the children in your country of origin?

for me im hoping to have one boy and one girl and then after my two have gotten to the age of 17-18 i plan on adopting/fostering older children who need a family, a stable home, and love.

the thing with the 19 kids and COUNTING is that they are planning on having more children even tho there most recent was born extremely early and weighed only 1lb.
the oldest boy has already gotten married and started reproducing.

and with 19 kids there is no possible way to give each one of them the attention that is needed

yeah some parents with smaller families do a shitty job(such as my mom) but there are a lot more parents that do a great job with smaller families

my mom was the second oldest of 8 kids and every one of them has had 1-2 kids because they knew what it was like to have a huge family and didn't want that. But on the other hand i know a lot of people that came from big families and think that its some kind of tradition that they need to carry on by having 5-10 kids.

 

Again, If someone is taking care of their children, it is no one else's business period. We live in a democracy where you are free to choose to live your life how you like. I personally don't understand why people would want so many children, but I don't need to.

I keep writing more and deleting it. Basically, I think people don't truly understand how over population is a problem and why it's not necessarily bad that the developed nations continue to reproduce vs. developing nations.