In or Out of the E.U?

Maybe don't just mention western Europe then!

 

The topic started about just the UK/your own country...

 

I do not mention just the UK in the thread title. I mention no country. Obviously I am going to talk about the UK.

I meant that you didn't initially fully express your point.

 

My point was that not only the UK or the Netherlands should remain in it but all of western Europe, and that was what that post said I did not mention things about the rest of Europe or what should be done with them in regards to their EU membership because that was not my point in that post.

 

I still think you are trying to make a half arsed post into a fully rounded comment. But never mind.
'Human and animal rights, economy, corruption, etc. etc.' Does this include Poland?
Is there a breakdown of the other countries: human and animal rights, economy, corruption, etc. etc.
I'm interested in Poland.

 

Seems to me like you assumed that he meant to imply something he did not, and are for some reason still not convinced he did, despite his clarification.

 

I wasn't being serious with regards to him being prejudiced etc.

 

Yes, he assumed I only want western Europe in the EU. His bad and now he's trying to make it my bad I enjoy his nitpicking though, it seems when I cleared up the misunderstanding it became more of a game to try and corner me verbally... which of course is impossible

 

God, with what people must we share the union

 

I think it is spinning on the head of 'just'...(you and me)

Was you thinking the thread was JUST about the UK your bad?

 

I didn't think that, I merely noticed that it seemingly started about your own country. Not only, but nothing more either yet. I didn't draw any conclusions of what you ment with it exactly but replied with what I thought of at the moment: that not only the UK should remain in but the whole of western Europe.
Do you see the point of staying in the EU with countries like Bulgaria and Greece iif France and Germany would leave it (which happily is not an issue)?

 

Superior people :sunny:

 

Well fuck you

 

If you say so :dizzy2:

Are you saying do I want the UK to stay in because Bulgaria and Greece are in?

You are not making sense!

 

I am, read it again Do you see the point of staying in the EU (including Bulgaria and Greece) without western european countries as France or Germany? Don't be afraid of being verbally cornered, I'm not the one playing that game (at the moment)

 

This reads like doublespeak.

I did ask a question, btw.

This is irrelevant. I do not know why you added it.

 

It is merely a hypothetical question. Why does anything has to be relevant? Is your antfucking here really relevant?

 

OK that makes more sense (to me).

I would like to know what the difference would be, for the UK, out of the EU - regardless of if France/Germany were in or out.
I don't seem to feel either ones politics (etc) over here.
I would wonder if it only really matters to business and the tax man.
Critics say our sovereignty is being eroded.
But as you can see from the op link, that case is not being made.
If it was more clear how the EU actually impacts my life - I might be able to answer.

 

‘In or out’

How about ‘in’ for a certain value of ‘in’.

I’ll give some musings that have coloured my thinking –

What was needed was a united states of Europe – that might have worked if it had stayed smaller – (the originals were Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands).

This would have meant centrally elected parliament, a European President, central court, integrated currency with central bank, integrated army with central command, etc.

Only once that was established could others join, and only if they agreed to the terms of a USE (this would probably meant the UK would not have joined).

But what we got was a commercial imperative; it was about economic market integration, mammon and businesses interests had a strong hand on the tiller. So the USE idea was secondary (or even further down the list) and what was at the forefront was the Common Market approach the EEC (European Economic Community).

And so many wanted in to be integrated into the European market without necessarily having any desire for (or understanding of) a European Union.

Then things got worse with the fall of Soviet Russian power out of which came a united Germany and the wish to hover up all those ex-soviet satellites. For Germany, understandably, European integration took a back seat to the integration of the two Germanys. The more states joining the harder it was to get that USE and quite frankly bringing in a multinational currency without a central bank overseeing financial policy was noble but foolhardy.

I’ve lived in Greece and France worked in Spain, have German relatives and have travelled widely elsewhere in Europe. I like Europe, I think of myself as a European and want to be ‘in’ Europe, but I think we need to do better.

And I’m sorry to say that I think the core European countries would be better off with England and I stress ENGLAND out of the union to stop it constantly pissing on the parade.

OK just some things off the top of my head.

 

Yes, when the UK joined back in the 70's it was the common market.
Talk of federalism came later, and that's what seems to piss off the right wing in Britain.

I too want to stay in Europe. Half of my family come from outside the UK, and I don't really fear a federal European state. In fact it might be a lot better than what we've got now.
There used to be a lot of talk in this country about the so called 'loony left'. I think what we're getting now is more the 'loony right'. We need to be in Europe to protect us from these people. Otherwise I fear that what few rights we still have will be washed down the drain if we were to exit the EU.

But I wouldn't blame the other major players if they did get fed up with us. If Scotland goes independent, then it would be a case of England only causing the problems, as the Scots seem to want to be in.

I think if we (England) do come out, all those 'little Englanders' will see the ship go down in a rapid but messy fashion.

When you say you'd like to see us do better, do you mean be more integrated and at the heart of Europe, or get a better deal, as Cameron claims he will do?