In Memory Of~Betty Friedan

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  1. SLOTH

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  2. teepi

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    This is a good place, but there are some here I would just like to sing with.
    Among other things.
     
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    nice shit
     
  4. old_crone

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    Its been so long since I ventured into a forum feeling so compelled to respond. So may I offer my thoughts, and love.

    I feel what these women were saying is,{ Look in the mirror of our creations. There is still time to change. }

    When we judge anothers steps without walking in their shoes we are only facing a part of ourselves we have yet had to live, or have lived, and remember not what we did.

    I have faced personally decision on abortion, rape, incest, and abuse. We can hold up the mirror, and see the victim, or see the abuser. Or we can reach beyond these roles, and run toward peace for all. The only way to do this is to learn from what we know, and have been faced with. When these things are no longer acceptable, and toleratered within ourselves, maybe we can stand back from the emotional reaction, and use the power within us to change the world.

    When we become aware, we can become what we choose to be. My heart ached with sadness, and furor, asking me why I have not stood on the front lines, and joined many others who have chosen to show us ourselves. I watched the movie Lord of War, and cried out with rage. We are our own enemies, and or peace maker.

    To point fingers does no one any good. To write, and say only words can be empty. But to live what we know to be true is to embrace the greater path of love. For what we do to ourselves we do to others. What we do to others we do to our own spirits.

    I honor these women for the courage, and strength it took to stand in their own vulnerability, and face the world, not with division, or parts we hold in our pants, but to face us with Humanity, and ask us who we are, and what we are choosing to become.

    May we all find wholeness in our actions as we seek to heal so many terrible wrongs. May we all move beyond justifying, blame, and attacks and join as one on the front lines of a new hope, where we can honor more clearly the reflections of our own beings, and becomings. May those who have died show us what we have done, knowing they died not in vain, but for a wholeness, and peace where non need fear. A dream is only a dream until we make the dream real within us. We are the cure for the dis-ease we all have in, and around us. May there be no more war, but peace on each voice as we stand as one.

    Impractile. I do not think so. For one voice can make a difference. One life is all a reflection needs to shine from simple honesty, and truth. Choice is our power. Action is our healer, and change is our greatest blessing in all of time, for we are our creations.
     
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    We all have to go through the levels of change that overcomes us all..and we overcome ourselves..
    Most of us want the same things out of life, A Home a Family, a means of support aka a job..something to do, something to create. Someplace to belong..
    We all cry within ourselves for this bond, this unity that connects us with all things perfect. We all strive for perfection and seek LOVE LOVE LOVE.
    It truely breaks my heart of hearts to see ones suffering so. So little respect for themselves and others.
    Listen to the wise ones my friends, be wise yourself, place not blame on others but look to yourself for the answers.. Be still and listen.
    WE honor Betty Friedan and the eork she did to free women and the oppressed, we honor her with our being true to ourselves. Bless Betty and all he women that stand for freedom. And Bright Blessings to the men that can see beyond their own EGOs.
    Lay the ball bats down, lay the hostility down, lay down the wicked tongues that wag their hurtful, distructive spew. Find the guidence you seek in ones you respect. Know the truth when you hear it and stand the fuck u and support us, or sit the fuck down and shut up. If your not part of the sulotion, then you are part of the problem..
    Off to work I go.. Hi Ho Hi HO..
    Be Sweet..
    sh
     
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    wheres' thudlyy? Is he really banned becsuse os sloth? What happenned to 'free speech?'

    I dont beleif in killing babies either. Will I be banned?
     
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    I ask myself that same question more and more these days it seems.

    'Free Speech'....seems the crap that flows out of some cars when I am at the gas station(which some call RAP 'MUSIC') is more respected than difference of opinion.

    This is always a heated debate...never matters where you are in real time or on the cyber highway.

    Thing is, no matter what your opinion is about it there is another opinion waiting to get heated up about it.

    BUT at this time it is NOT against the law. And that should be respected. It is fine to voice your opinion but do NOT expect to get anywhere other than into an argument when you do. So when it happens...what next. DO you EXPECT to change minds instantly by name calling and threats????

    Just where does that get you?

    Seems the more I scream and threaten about a point the more lost my point gets and I end up looking like a screaming meemee.

    any idea you may be trying to get across...gets ignored and your branded a hot head or banned off a site.

    Yeah I get pissed. PLENTY.

    But I really try to pick my battles anymore. Some stuff is just not worth getting riled up about. ANd certainly what someone in cyberland expresses as their opinion is not worth getting nutty over.

    If you have such a strong opinion, and its a craw in your side, put it where it counts. Do something physically (and I don't mean violently) to put it out there so laws are changed.

    In debate where all sides voice their own take on it and exchange ideas and tips and everyone walks away hopefully with something to mull over and even if they still disagree they at least have the common coutesy to realize that not everyone shares in what may seem obviously correct to them.

    I posted a memorial thread to someone who was very special to me awhile back...and here came someone who had something rotten to say.
    Yes, it hurt me a bit.But what they said had nothing to do with me unless I embraced it and made it mine and I chose not to. ANd now it does not hurt so much. It was theirs.

    So heck......anyway thats what I wanted to say.
    teepi
     
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    and you said it.This too was also a memorial thread.Not a dissucusion of women's rights,not an abortion debate,not batting practice,a memorial.Maybe we all should treat it as such.Betty Friedan R.I.P.
     
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    I frequent several different forums, and Ive got to say that I think cabin fever has something to do with it. People are getting sick of being cooped up and they have too much time on their hands, (some of them have problems to begin with) and if they tend to be that type, well, they tend to turn into rabble rousers. I do it too, sometimes. We can all forgive a little verbal indiscretion, Im sure. The trouble comes when people are trying to discuss a subject, and someone gets so radical in their replies that it detracts from the conversation to the point where everybodys arguing and no one can even follow the thread any more.
    Hell, sometimes I think that some folks get on forums just because they want somewhere to complain and nothing else. There was some issue with negative posts dominating the Rainbow forum, and so I put up 3 positive posts to counteract them, but everybody was so wrapped up in the disagreements that my posts were only answered by one person! Im glad that some of the folks Ive found here are easier to communicate with than that! Thank heavens for you ladies.
     
  13. shameless_heifer

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    Bright Blessings Ladies, Gate and welcomed guests.
    As we originals grow older there becomes less and less of us each year. In 20 yrs or so we will be no more, our generation will pass and make room for the new ones coming up after us.
    What are we leaving them to go by. What lessons are we teaching them by our actions. What images are we creating in their minds. What message are we sending out. Can we bring about change when we can't even get along at a memorial.
    No one can force another into their beliefs. You can certainly talk about issues and agree or not. We all have our own paths to follow or Karma if you will, to live out.
    I don't think we should drag personalities into it. We are have our own pain. It's how we learn. The more it hurts, the deeper the message.
    Some pain comes out in harsh ways. Directed outward bc it's too much to hold it inside. It spews out like black decay seeking out a place to land. It creates chaos and consumes the Spirit bringing hopelessness and dispare.
    I think we have all felt this kind of pain some time or other in our lives. EM is right.. forgiveness is the key to being forgiven. We can get past it in unity and love Love LOVE.
    sh
     
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