In a Nut Shell

these are making unnecessary divisions between things that just exist.
God, the multiverse, it doesn't matter what anyone comes up with, They
would be included in the category of things that exist called reality.

"The universe as we know it may not be everything" is nonsense because
universe means everything.

The possibilities of "everything" are already provided.

On the contrary.... Mathematically, the whole is equal to the sum of its parts.
The idea that the whole is greater is metaphysics.

 

the concept of this universe is a paradigm, is it not?

perhaps the language is muddled and confusing, but i believe some of us are trying to express that the true "universe" or ultimate existence is beyond what the current paradigm will allow.

 

Give me one logical explanation why a 'perfect' God would decide to CREATE billions of imperfections?

If God is everything then CREATING lesser, immeasurably inferior beings out of himself would in fact be a form of self mutilation!

Was reality even too much for God himself to handle? We could be the remains of God's suicide, he blew his brains out all over the universe, each sun the remains of a neuron... Makes about as much sense as any other God theory.

 

What imperfections?

 

Are you fucking serious?

 

No, I am serious.

 

You consider yourself to be par with God, the creator of the universe is your peer, your bro?

If everything was 'perfect', I wouldn't be here, there would be no debate at all... You're either delusional, or trying to play twist fuck words games to avoid my original question.

WHY WOULD A VASTLY SUPERIOR BEING NEED OR WANT TO CREATE INFERIOR BEINGS?

 

i do not feel needed or wanted by god , yet when i am instructed
to make a left turn proceed down an alley turn right and give the
first bum a buck - i do it with no fuss . to feel everything - beyond oppression
is the goodness of a certain philosophical Izm . i do not feel needed or wanted by god .

is there a name for this Izm ?

 

Relaxxx

You get thedope the wrong way around!

Why, or better, how could a creator create ...backwards?

If we need to feel perfect to realize perfection, I say give up now! lol

 

I cant even imagine a "superior" being....

 

I consider myself equal to any witness.

I can assure you that you are perfectly being.

There are no degrees of reality nor degrees of being.

 

Bull fucking shit! No degrees my ass!
While I wait for my morning pills to kick in because it hurts to breathe... Denial is a great drug too. No degrees of being between myself, imaginary Gods, dinosaurs, and that fucked up man who ate his son's eyeballs... yeah... all the same level of 'being'...

Oh God, what will be the next horror show species fist fucking the planet 80 million years from now?

Perfectly FUCKED NUT Shell! Have an evil TEA PARTY with Sarah Palin and pretend the world is perfect so hard you actually believe it. Were on God's level now. Place your frontal lobotomies in a jar next to the peaches...

 

Our lives are an unremitting series of sensations, some of which we call pleasant and some not so.

 

Spoken like a true reductionist: Water is "nothing but" hydrogen and oxygen. It's unique properties are an illusion. Quantity= quality. Differences in quantity can never be differences in kind. Bullshit! You conveniently overlook my qualifier "as we know it" and say something absurd, and something no scientist would say. To say that the universe as we know it is everything is tantamount to saying we know everything. To say that everything "they come up with" is included in a whole called reality is just a pretentious tautology. Why argue about stuff like this?

 

You're a fundamentalist at heart. I don't assume that God is perfect, nor do I assume that humans can give "a logical explanation" for anything God does.

 

This would be true if the universe as we knew it wasn't a mystery.

You say "universe as we know it might not be everything" like our understanding isn't a matter of probability in the first place....

Also, I'm confused at the water bit. What unique properties are you talking about that cannot be encompassed in a hydrogen and oxygen atom?

 

while everything we thing we know that does not begin and end with scientific understanding may well be pointless speculation, at the same time, the limits of human understanding in no way limit the potentialities of existence.

i think that's the real "nutshell" and we really don't need to keep making up names for things we don't know so we can pretend to know things about them we don't.

by the same token though, there's nothing wrong with loving the unknown, especially if it helps us love each other.

what matters is to avoid screwing everything up for each other, regardless what name we cite as motivating us to avoid doing so.

 

How do you calculate those probabilities?

Are hydrogen and oxygen atoms, independently, wet? Can you drink them?

 

Inference....reasoning from circumstance.

"Drinking" describes a molecular relationship, and so does "wet".

 

Relationships are important. They result in qualitative differences between parts and wholes.