IMPORTANT - Don't go into London today if you don't have to

You have to go to the usercp and add them via the buddy/ignore section

 

good-o...will-do

 

agreed, it genuinely frightens me that this attitude can surface at a time like this. and here of all places, i mean a bnp meeting fine, its to be expected. You're right, he's just to be ignored i spose, i dont think he's doing it to wind people up though, he actually believes it, as you did, i just wanted to let him know that he can't go round saying these ignorant comments for his own benfit more than mine. imagine thinking like that, i would be begging for some correction. this is the last thing to be said about it by me anyway, you're are right, let it be ignored.

 

hey claire, are the twins ok?

 

not-sure-yet...still-not-heard-anything-from-him

 

well i have been looking and thinking and i dont think people have been totally understanding iron goth... maybe this is because he didn't put forward his view correctly or that its maybe not the right place for it and it being misunderstood.. so for every1's sake..( mine as well i was quick to question without understanding) i will try and re-itterate mr iron goth sentiments...


ok...

he's not saying that muslims as a comunity or as a people are bad... that would be racist. i'm sure that wasn't his intention. he is merely pointing out that its the priciples and rules written for that time are horrendously outdated now. more outdated than christianity. but because it is still held in such hi regard in some places in the world.. because it is a way of life in some places in the world... it is an easy set of beliefs to mould into instructions for extremist actions. this is not the fault of modernday muslims just as it is not the fault of modernday christians that the ku klux klan is/was majority christian.

but because of the specific instruction led down in the karan(sp*) as i said.. it is very easy to turn into an extremist instruction manual.

so we are not being racist or predjudice agaist and group but merely saying that the instructions for that era should have been burried with that era.. as the bible will disapear at the end of this one.


maybe... just trying to understand

 

Hey Raskal: from your post: " I don't have a problem with skin color or where someone is from." You got a problem with reading comprehension?

RE: If mad mullah isnt racist you're completely right.

That term doesn't refer to a race nor even necessarily to a Muslim. So yeah, I am completely right.

RE: so you're not attacking a culture based on the colour of their skin, whats worse is you're manipulating a whole religious belief used by people of many skin colours,

No, read smartie.uk who seems to get it.

You cannot negotiate, barter with, capitulate to, etc. a group of people who have as their spiritual belief the directive to kill. I am not saying all Muslims are murderers, I am saying that there are folks who will kill because the Koran believes they should. And you cannot say to them "OK then let's be friends" because they will then say "put your women in the hijab, convert to my faith and then we can be friends" in which case we lose this civilisation one way or another. Moderate Muslims are as much at risk as we are, if not more.

There are some Christians with a very literalist view of the Bible. There are about two hundred of them in backwoods Arkansas. And if it comes out that they kill their kids because Pheloponecians 14:68 says to do so if they eat dessert with the wrong fork we try them for murder. Whereas there are millions of dollars spent on "JIHAD" every year. There are ENTIRE COUNTRIES that support what they believe to be a necessary holy war.

Now, because these people tend not to be pale Caucaseans they're given a pass on this. I don't believe in the BNP, NF whatever, they're morons. But their moron statements are called on because they're white. If a group of white guys say "we should kill all the darkies" they'd be hauled before a magistrate AND RIGHTLY SO and WE WOULD NOT TOLERATE IT. But if someone nonwhite chants from a mosque "kill all nonbelievers" in London, somehow critiquing this is somehow racialist.

I'm not critiquing the skin color. I'm not critiquing the culture. I am critiquing the express belief that one must kill to attain salvation.

Is this clear enough or am I using words that are too big?

Elsewhere on this site I invited Muslims to comment on this tragedy. NOT ONE has made ANY statement condemning this attack or calling it non-Islamic. I am severely disappointed.

 

being opposed to any religion is not racist a religion is a belief system.

its like saying being opposed to a belief in flying saucers is racist because lots of white people believe in them .

I get called a racist all the time so strangly do my arab and pakistani ex muslim friends which is kinda stupid because what race are they supposed to be against ?

I feel pretty tired of going into this and would like this thread to die

 

I find it offensive and racialist to treat anyone with kid gloves, either.

"Well, it's certainly OK for little Muhammad to go try and stab little Bernie Greenberg with a screwdriver at recess because back where he comes from that is expected." "Well, you have to take "KILL ALL NONBELIEVERS" in a certain cultural context...."

If you make excuses for or judge anyone differently, whether more favorably or worse because of skin color, YOU ARE A RACIALIST.

I don't care what color you are or your ideology. NF skinheads are morons as are Wahabbist terrorists. And if a member of either tries to hurt or kill any of mine, FOR ANY REASON I will set him on fire.

And anyone who walks around suggesting people be killed for their beliefs (actions is another thing - I don't have a problem with capital punishment) or race is a nutter and should be scrutinized.

 

I'm kinda saddned and distressed that, after asking for people to calm the fuck down, some people are still inflaming the situation...


Can't we just let emotions setlle before we attempt to discuss these issues?... yes, there are many things here that need to be discussed... but, as Doc pointed out, they are still digging bodies out of the fucking tunnells... perhaps this is not the best time to go digging through these issues when emotions are high and people are likely to respond with extreme fucking prejudice...

I'm a one of the few who seems more concerned at not hearing anything back from Peace and Taz?... can we please calm the fuck down and come back to discussing these issues when the dust has settled?...

Fly...

 

Kat-spoke-to-them...they're-ok

 

sal and taz are ok sal spoke to kat

 

Thank God for that.

 

snap beat me to it

 

i think it is the nature of the speach used which is unsettling this thread.. not the subject matter... as some1 stated earlier they are from london.. they are the ones that have to deal with it.. we can pretend to understand in our safe homes miles away and we can sympathise.. but if they don't feel theres a problem with talking about it then really there shouldn't be... if people talked to people like adults rather than trying to push there points with insults im sure you could debate anything at anytime.

 

Since when did I put down anyone other than the madmen who go around believing that they'll get 72 virgins if they kill people!

 

Cool...


Can I then make a humble request?... that we leave this alone for a while... just a day... let emotions calm down... let people get over the shock and anger... give people a chance to think about what they are going to say... give the rising anger a chance to evaporate so we can come back to these isuues with clear heads...

If you have something that you passionately wish to discuss, then please start up a thread so people clearly know what to discuss...

Thank you...

Fly...

 

I repeat... CALM THE FUCK DOWN...


Fly...

 

You've no idea how calm I am now, fly.

BTW respect for the dead is one thing - I have NEVER made any disrespectful comment about the dead. But the point is, though they are still removing people from the tunnels, waiting a day or two won't make them any less dead.

We have some VERY VERY hard decisions to make and some VERY VERY touchy issues to discuss.

We would NOT want at this time to do the NF thing "send em all home" or the liberal "ooh, it's our fault" - we need to get some common sense in

 

fly you make a good point
lets let the thread die there are better times to talk about things and in general its better to talk in person