IMPORTANT - Don't go into London today if you don't have to

Ive seen reports before of people getting ready to do a suicide bombing looking unstressed sometimes they do sometimes they dont .

most likely they were thinking of their 72 virgins. religion is a funny thing and its not like they would have been forced into to it for them it would likely be a highpoint of their lives , something they would be very keen on doing.

I did post a load of websites a long time ago of suicide bombers and Ive seen a few of the films they make before attacks and they seemed pretty happy in them

 

I do get the impression that this is the driving force behind the bombers, loads of SEX, all they probably need is a cuddle and a shag, then I suppose that is the cure for a lot of the worlds prbblems.

 

mohammed had lots of wives including one of six and loads of sexslaves and he still managed to kill lots of people, so I dont think it will help .

apart from the rewards you have a deep seated hatred partly racist and partly religous ,non muslims kafirs are looked on as being unclean subhumans .

you get your religous teachers telling you that for a long period of time and that you have a duty to kill and shame non muslims , you watch lots of snuff films of people chopping off non-muslims heads you get a simular effect as the nazis got with the jews .

and sadly this isnt just something confined to offbeat sects in islam its part of the mainstream, I didnt believe that until I did my own research .

Hizb-ut-Tahrir party a party thats banned in lots of countrys because of terrorist links had 7,000 young muslims in conference in Birmingham last year thats just one group .

if you were to take those numbers and compare them to the white community you would have something like 200,000 young white people going to a meeting .thats like all the people going to glastonbury going to a terrorist supporting meeting

and Hizb-ut-Tahrir is just one group so we have a major problem and its likely to get worse

 

Sympathy to the victims of the London bombing and the recent bombings in Israel and Iraq.

These things don't happen in a vacuum. The suggestion that this kind of extremism occurs entirely seperately from world events is a naive one. Clearly a radicalised Islamic element plays a large part in the motivation of such extremists but without the catalyst of what is widely perceived to be an oppressive and imperialist foreign policy it's unlikely we would see British muslims succumbing to the fundamentalist doctrine which tells them to go and blow up tube trains. Otherwise, considering the relative ease of such an attack, why haven't we seen any other terror attacks in Britain since the IRA? More likely is that a sense of desperation and disaffection makes these people susceptible to such fundamentalist doctrine. The desperate situation in occupied Palestine and its resultant stream of suicide bombers supports this theory: Islamic fundamentalism is encouraged by the catalyst of desperation coupled with extremist dogma.

All this makes our politicians' desperate assertion that the London attacks have absolutely nothing to do with our invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq particularly disingenuous.

Whether or not the Koran justifies jihad is a technical point which is pretty much irrelevant; without the situation in which fanatical religious zealots are able to indoctrinate susceptible minds radicalised by events this book would, like the Bible, lose much of its power to influence. Clearly extremism, and those who indoctrinate people to radicalism and hatred are a problem. We are faced with a radical minority who see a solution to current struggles in a rigid interpretation of an ancient book. Talking up the threat posed by Islam as a whole, when patently an overwhelming majority of muslims are not radicals, is unhelpful. And the conjecture that the British muslim population constitutes a kind of fifth column, all of them simply waiting for their chance to kill us is nothing more than a particularly unimaginative conspiracy theory.

 

Im not going to respond at the moment as Im a bit busy

just saw this story


http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15933411%255E952,00.html

it says 50 bombers ready to make more attacks and the police have a shoot to kill policy

"As well there may be three more behind-the-scene members of the Leeds terror cell and police are also hunting dozens of other men believed ready to launch more attacks in London.

Scotland Yard launched Operation Kratos, authorising a shoot-to-kill policy for snipers searching for potential suicide bombers "

 

They said 3000 the other day ... I wish they'd at least try to get their facts straight

 

I hope that all those 72 or 73 or even 666 virgins all have the crabs!
What an itchy surprise for the murderers when they arrive to hell...

 

Since "they" in this instance is the Murdoch press I don't think we can expect anything other than the ill-considered hyperbole which marked that article...

 

But removing a few heads of the hydra does not guarantee future security. John Stevens, the former commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, disclosed at the weekend that during his tenure there were eight separate extremely serious plots by "home-grown terrorists" - and each one involved a different group.

According to MI5, about 3,000 British Muslims have passed through paramilitary training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The majority, it was thought, had divorced themselves from extremist activities after returning to the UK. Senior police now believe, however, that there is a far greater pool of recruits for a British insurgency, fuelled by anger over the Iraq invasion, than previously thought.

Much had been made of the similarities between the London and Madrid bombings. The commuter trains in the Spanish capital were not blown up in suicide attacks, but, like here, took place simultaneously at the height of the morning rush hour without warning.

At the end of a 14-month investigation, Jorge Dezcallar, the former head of CNI, the Spanish security service, said: "This was a local sleeper cell. It may have been inspired by al-Qa'ida, but it had no links with Osama bin Laden. Some of the bombers were thieves and petty criminals. They did not even have an Islamic past. They are almost impossible to detect."

The 'Hyperbole' would imho be that 'they' are all going to blow themselves up ...

 

I like the way they call the training camps paramilitary not terrorist training camps

and the way they say

had divorced themselves from extremist activities after returning to the UK.

how the hell do they know, did they just ask them are you still interested in blowing people up.

The recent suicide bombers were not that involved openly in extremist activitys, and most likely if you were a potential suicide bomber you would keep a low profile

The government knighted a bloke recently who lobbied for osama ben laden to come and give talks here calling him a islamic teacher this was in 1996.

Im sorry I have zero faith that they know what they are doing, or whose who.
its sounds to me like they are just trying to flim flam people

 

i feel so bad for everyone whos been affected by this
but like many of you i havre to place the blame where it belongs, on our governments actions (i'm from usa but i refer to both)
terrorism isa last resort of a desperate people.. people who've been weakened so much that they hae no other resource to fight for theyre own cultural survival
please dont think i'm deffending the actions of terrorists, i'm simply stating that the true blame belongs to those who've pushed them to be that desperate.
years of santions & blockades, repeated wars, repeatedly enforcing our influence & control over theyre government..under these strainsany people would lash out with whatever resources they had right?
think aboyt this..if you went to the store anda single grape costs you a weeks salery & you've got starving kidsat home, wouldn't you feel like sacrificing your life to try to make changes?
the more we escalate the war, & push people around..the more terrorists we will be creattimng every day
unless we reverse our stratagy & start to help that part of theworld moveforward instead of pushing them down & holding them back, the terrorist problem will increase by a hundred times in the next 10 years

 

Uhhh.... to coin a phrase, 'go fuck yourself'. Half my colleagues work in London, and the rest of them travel there reguarly. My brother in law is a fucking tube driver. My sister in law commutes on the tube every day. So you can take your "only I have a right to an opinion because I live in London and you don't" attitude and stick it where the sun don't shine. You're not the only one with a vested emotional interest.

I'm wondering if you actually understood me. Of course it's ok to talk about what happened. What's not ok (IMHO) is to use a tragedy as an excuse for furthering personal political agendas, stirring up racial hatred, or postulating paranoid hippy conspiracy theories. An open mind is one thing, but an empty mind is something else.

 

This thread and others would have about 3 posts on them Dok' . Sorry 2 because your post would then not be required.

 

Matthew, can you please stop making sense and return to normal service? You're starting to shake my world view!

 

I do apologise Dok'

You are just picking on that poster for your own personal reason. Just because they don't agree with you . I don't know, you sit aloft your high horse and then jump into this thread and out you trot your self opinionated bullshit.

How was that ?.. a little rude methinks.

 

Phew! My faith in the order of the universe has been restored

Are you getting laid, by any chance?

 

YES...

 

Ha! I knew it!