Impeachment Is Unwarranted

Discussion in 'Politics' started by srgreene, Dec 1, 2019.

  1. srgreene

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    Not a shred of evidence?? I'm sorry to sound so abrasive, and perhaps it depends on what you mean by "misconduct", but I consider that a stunningly ignorant statement. Did you even look at the links I shared above? For your viewing pleasure, I've quoted on the five here. Obama was the epitome of governmental arrogance (Trump is more personally arrogant). The USA was the second nation in human history to outlaw history, but of course, that was insufficient for Obama, who said:

    ""The legacy of slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination in almost every institution of our lives. You know, that casts a long shadow and that’s still part of our DNA that’s passed on."

    Well any society, any nation, any people, when measured against perfection will fall short. I found Obama's claim highly "divisive". Obama detested America- Trump loves it.


    From PJ Media referenced above (a clear abuse of power that Democrats just didn't care about):

    "When Obama made a number of controversial picks for the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), he was unable to get them through the Senate. So, in January 2012, he declared his nominees appointed to the Senate via recess appointments. Except the Senate wasn’t even in recess at the time. Obama’s actions were such a blatant abuse of power that experts on both sides of the aisle blasted Obama for what he did and a federal appeals court overturned the appointments a few days after his second inauguration, declaring, “Allowing the president to define the scope of his own appointments power would eviscerate the Constitution’s separation of powers.” The United States Supreme Court ultimately took up the case, and unanimously agreed Obama abused his power."
     
  2. tikoo

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    The charismatic personalities in Rainbow Land submit to anarchistic control . They
    may 'focalize' . I am a charismatic . I am a High Holy . As I walk here , I focus . True ?

    This is a purely hip concern , eh ? Explain it further if you can . But I suspect you
    are too worldly political . Vote for peace .
     
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  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Pretty simplistic claim there srgreene.
    The Senate was in recess holding only pro forma sessions.
    Pro forma sessions are nothing sessions. nothing happens, they are held just for form and typically last a few minutes...“for the sake of form.”
    The Republicans tried to pull a fast one on Obama.
    Just like they blocked his Supreme Court nomination so we could get people like "I like beer" on the court.


    Of course all of this has nothing what so ever to do with what Trump has done to warrant impeachment.
    Just another attempt to blame Obama.
     
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    The "High"part I can believe. Holy??? In Rainbow circles I travel in, High Holies are sometimes spoken of derisively, as "elders" to whom the sixties were entirely too good. By the power of mushroom tea, they channel the vibes of the Cosmos, so they say--but when it comes to shitter digging, not worth a hole lot. Focus isn't their forte, but no strangers to politics of sorts. Vote for liberty and justice for all!
     
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  5. Okiefreak

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    Obviously, you drank the Kool Aid. Trump loves himself and nothing more, despite what the sycophants at pj media say. Obama had to work around the Tea Baggers and Moscow Mitch. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
     
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    Almost 4 years after leaving office and Obama is still trolling and triggering. Now that's a legacy. The man's timeless. Dog, there is a reason Trump is being impeached and Obama never was. And it's not because Trump is a saint and Obama was corrupt af. No. Just no.
     
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    Ya , ornery hippies flippantly think upside down - umop . Absurdity can make a circle of protection . uje
     
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  8. Okiefreak

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    Whatever.
     
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    It's an art to make a peaceful circle of protection . uje means that the people speak whatever is only honest and meaningful .
     
  10. Okiefreak

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    ljfa njHHH means liberty and justice for all, not just High Holy Hippies.
     
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    I can read .

    You are on a quest . fa=HHH . The quest is toward nature . It is strong .
     
  12. srgreene

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    No doubt ... it requires so little thinking. I do not think that representative democracy can endure with an electorate that refuses to engage with its mind.
     
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    I am almost certain that is not true. Hate to your bubburstble, but Hillary's campaign started that one.
     
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    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Of course you aren't serious becasue if you are you are embarrassingly ignorant of factual reality.

    The birther movement was started in 2004 by Republican Andy Martin:
     
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  15. srgreene

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    Yes- the Washington Post favored impeachment before, or perhaps the day of, Trump's inauguration. The left and the Dems (but I repeat myself) have been out to get him from the getgo. And yes, Trump has given them some ammunition, even though, unlike previous impeachments, no crime was alleged. But Trump has repeatedly shown bad judgment in foreign policy (as well as some courageous sound policy). "Abuse of power" is a very slippery concept, one that Democrats do not seem at all concerned about- witness the witless responses on this very thread about Obama's abuses.

    I also fear you are correct that this is "the new normal". Democrats are using impeachment as a political weapon that will threaten any POTUS who becomes unpopular.

    While I have some sympathy for the "abuse of power" claim, the entire Democrat charade of outrage (let's be very solemn, teehee, haha) is revealed as nonsense with their second article- obstruction of Congress. They are trying to impeach Trump for his efforts to protect the power of the presidency. If they genuinely felt they had a case, they would have taken the matter to court, where, I don't know, they may have prevailed. Certainly Obama lost in court many times- but nobody thought of it as an impeachable offense.
     
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    Can you impeach an emporer.
     
  17. pineapple08

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    They just go to Martha's Vineyard.
     
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    You seem to be confusing the issue of Obama's religion with that of his birth. I did not mention anything about his religion, so I don't know why you bring that into the discussion: I was referring to a claim of who started the question of Obama's place of birth. Obama's paternity as not a constitutional issue: the question of his birth place most certainly was.

    I suppose I overstated it when I said "almost certain" about the origin of claims about Obama's alleged Kenyan birth, but unlike you, I will not call you "embarrassingly ignorant" for a questionable claim (although I do think it is pretty stupid to respond to a claim about the "birther" issue with a counter claim about his religion- why would you conflate the two?).

    Snopes has a pretty good discussion of the birther issue, but unlike you, they do not try to smear any interpretation of the origin of the birther issue:

    Did Clinton Supporters Start the 'Birther' Movement?

    According to Snopes, the first instance of the claim that Obama was not born in the US is a bit obscure. Snopes does say:

    "The idea that Obama was born elsewhere, specifically Kenya, was first floated in April 2008, according to a 22 April 2011 Politico article by Ben Smith and Byron Tau on the origins of birtherism: That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous e-mail questioning Obama’s citizenship."

    Snopes goes on to say:

    "The likeliest point of origin [of the birther issue] we’ve been able to find was a post on conservative message board FreeRepublic.com dated 1 March 2008"

    which does not exactly comport with your interpretation. Perhaps are you "embarrassingly ignorant"?

    During the general election, some Obama opponents, of course, picked up on a Clinton primary campaign theme.

    So my claim, while admittedly overstated, is not exactly "embarrassingly ignorant". So while Clinton or her supporters did not initiate the birther question, it appears to me they did propel into national consciousness.

    I think you are a jerk. Have a nice day.
     
  19. I thought it was Trump. That's the way the media portrayed it.
     
  20. MeAgain

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    I stand corrected. While Andy Martin did start the religion deal and did file a lawsuit on October 17, 2008 with Hawaii asking for Obama's birth certificate, the first reliable record of that claim is that of Philip J. Berg who filed a lawsuit on August 21, 2008 alleging that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya. According to what I found.
    Berg was a chairman of the Democratic Party of Montgomery County, Pennsylvania.
    He is a conspiracy theory advocate and has since been disbarred and is currently an Uber driver.

    Now according to your own reporting Clinton did not originate the birther claim, so that's that.
    For my part, I did conflate the religion issue with the birther movement, that's my mistake.
    I hope I'm never afraid of admitting mistakes.

    I proclaim my self "embarrassingly ignorant" in that matter.
    Glad you cleared it up.
    I applaud your research and fact based rebuttal and apologize for calling you ignorant of the subject.
    That's why we're here, to get to the truth.
     
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