Impeachment Is Unwarranted

Perhaps so. But Bloomers is vastly more wealthy than Trump. It's like the neighborhood bully is suddenly introduced to the new kid on the block, who happens to be a bigger bully. AND he has his thumb on media's neck. Trump has his work cut out for him.

I'm certain Bloomberg will be the democratic nominee. His minions are out greasing so many palms it's coming from 55 gallon drums. He can afford to buy a LOT of Trump's people too. The debate between them will be epic.

 

This is a prime opportunity to get rid of a damn politician. Dem or Rep I don't care. They are all liars and cheats. Let's make an example of them. Impeachment and removal are far more civilized than a bullet in the head.

 

The guillotine is more humane and a bigger crowd pleaser, not to mention, its a democratic tradition.

 

Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

I would have to say that is a perfect description of Republican actions over the last 20 years or so.

I mean look around the US at the political shenanigans going on, the gerrymandering and voter suppression is just the tip of a corruption iceberg.

Look at the whole Benghazi thing which has been basically accepted as a waste of time.

Take Moscow Mitch who admits the ‘rule’ he put forward for not allowing Merrick Garland to be put forward for the Supreme Court was just a lie.

I mean have you seen the type of people they are putting forward for judges they are basically packing the courts with underqualified yes men because they want to be able to control government even when they have been voted out of power. A packed partisan Supreme Court could basically vote down anything put forward by a Democratic house senate and president as unconstitutional, Universal healthcare unconstitutional, trying to get money out of politics unconstitutional, stopping voter suppression unconstitutional and so on and so on.

But this is the thing the right don’t seem to see that, they see themselves as the victims, they are not the attackers they are the ones been attacked

To repeat when listening to many on the right you do get the impression that they seem to feel entitled to rule and would happy sacrifice democracy and rule of law to ensure that is the case.

They see what are obvious abuses of power – things that they would be screaming about if it was done by anyone to the left of themselves – and they simply shrug, either ignoring it or in many cases actually supporting it.

They seem to have crossed the line of caring about their country and happily stride toward where only power matters and to hell with checks and balances.

And the terrifying thing is that I don’t even think many realise what they are doing. I get the horrible feeling that these type of right wingers would cheer along all the way to the setting up of a dictatorship.

 

You are on a politics forum discussing politics – YOU ARE A POLITICIAN – are you a liar and cheat?

The whole – they are all the same – argument is a war on democracy, as in why bother with democracy because ‘they’ are all liars and cheats.

In a democracy you get the politicians you deserve - if you want liars and cheats in power then vote into power liars and cheats on the other hand if you don’t want shitheads ruling over you DON’T vote for shitheads.

Next its why bother to vote because ‘they’ are all liars and cheats.

But if you don’t actively vote against shitheads then there are loads of shitheads out there that WILL vote and surprise, surprise - they vote for shitheads.

Want things to change – then work at it

 

The US is no longer a democracy, or we would not be confronting another possible civil war. The minute the Soviet Union fell apart, the price of freedom went through the roof in the west and the Libertarian party rose to power, rigging our elections and shredding the constitution. Republican or democrat doesn't matter, because they no longer represent the people anymore than professional wrestling. A mindless mob hellbent on destroying their own government, with no clue what to replace it with other than Donald Duck, is never to be confused with the will of the people. The last thing they care about are minorities or even rule of law, while the democrats helped the Libertarians do all this, because money is doing all the talking worth listening to, no offence, but a bunch of idiots insisting their votes still matter when every major university has endless studies to show that's no longer the case, are not worth listening to.

Fuck America, they have the worst social record in the developed world and lie to themselves so often many of them are waiting for Jesus to return and save them from themselves. Meanwhile, the mindless mob is only now waking up to the reality of the nightmare they have wrought. Jesus cannot save anyone who has no clue what the truth is anymore.

 

Gospel.
Also, wages went south because now there is competition among the western and eastern workforces. So everyone including me who cheered at the end of cold war was in fact just blind and misguided all along.

 

There are several cases which are taught in Criminal Justice and Police Science colleges that do cover this subject. The police as a general rule can not shoot a feeling felon any longer, as was open practice in the past. There are rules for probable cause and reasonable suspicion, which cover the way police must interact with people. Many cases evolved after the Terry Stop Case, which involved a black man just walking on the side walk in front of some store in Cleveland. So, if someone runs away from a police officer and there was no prior indication of a crime, they until contacted by the police have every right to run. If the police order them to stop for questioning, they need to heed the command. America is most likely the most controlled society in the world. America has more people in prison than any other nation. America is the least free nation on Earth. America has a law for everything, but sea food and poultry safety inspection.

 

so, about the thread title... The scholars are weighing in today if I'm not mistaken. I think that impeachment is warranted because the withholding of funds is like offering a bribe of weapons/power if a favor is done. For me, it's the quid pro quo argument.

I think we'll know more once legal scholars weigh in. Regardless of whether or not it's bribery, I think its shameful and highly inappropriate for us to withhold that aid. Especially because our ally, Ukraine, is in such dire straights with our adversary, the Russian Federation.

 

While I don't really know the answer to your question, I might guess a few reasons. Executive privilege? Or maybe just a desire to not be pestered by Congress.

You seem to take the approach that a desire to keep one's financial situation private implies guilt. It does not.

 

And what article of the federal criminal code would address this situation?

 

Idk...the RICO act?

 

Well that's just it .... I don't think there is a crime here.

 

No it does not under normal circumstance; however, Executive Privilege has never been a shield against criminal investigations. There was much judicial precedent established during Watergate, which does apply today. Professor Tribe was not on TV today, but might be soon.

 

Yes there were several crimes here.

 

That doesn't mean there wasn't a crime

 

Well, we might start with 18 U.S.C, chp. 41--Extortion and Threats § 871 ff.; and bribery 18 U.S. C § 201ff. ; and attempt & conspiracy 18 U.S.C § 1349--for starts. And , of course, § 1505. Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees. But realize that impeachment is sui generis. The President isn't charged under any article of the federal criminal code.

 

That's true. And he'll probably be reelected too. He was raised by a NY mobster and he has the mobster mentality and so many mobsters get away with their crimes. No, it doesn't make it right but there's really nothing right, or fair, in this country. He's a cowardly, draft dodging, punk asshole with power and 30+% of the population who adore him.

 

To Trumps credit, I've learned a lot about the law in the past 3 years.

 

They give you that choice when they yell 'stop or I'll shoot' :-D