Imagination and delusion

when i started taking lsd, i was 17. when i was 17, i was beginning to walk a path that tricked me into thinking that i was being myself and that things were ok when it actually wasn't at all. not due to the lsd, but before the lsd.

i walked this path seemingly confidently, but some days i felt confused. other days i was too foolish to see what was happening and felt completely comfortable. it was almost like i was shoving my true self in a cell as it screamed and fought against the suppression on a daily basis.

i took lsd 3 times the summer before this one. my last trip was my one and only trip i spent all by myself. it was wonderful. and you know what? it put me right back where i needed to be....with me. i opened the metaphorical cell and all through the fall i felt like i had lifted some gargantuan weight off of my shoulders...

life would be very different for me if i wouldn't of taken lsd those last 3 times. i probably would of ended up in jail, or possibly dead.

i totally agree with the statement that lsd is what you make it.

 

well, everyone seems to be misconstued im not saying i hate lsd or not to take lsd. i guess

it was sapose to be more a philosphy discussion than a 'i hate acid' discussion...more on that acid isnt quite as cracked up as it is meant to be.... in that it doesnt give you answeres like people think, its IMagination and dillusion"...(the main topic of discussion) and that i beleived it had all this incredible meaning but now i have stopped it it has all faded and left nothing but weird feelings. perhaps my view on things has become quite skewed, and im sure it is, its funny how skewed acid can make ones beleifs of this or that. and i keep sayin this but i dont say lsd is bad and people shoiuldnt do it, and i i dont say i wish i never done it. cause again, most of my trips were just increidble, i got most of my motivation and saw so much beauty out of life thro them. acid always meant so much to me, no thought wasnt about acid, from wake till sleep. i would anaylse every peice of everything.

i would still take lsd if i could but i dont think i can. taking lsd results in weeks of sever lack of focus, hard to communicate and concentrate on people talking even.
and anyway after all my trips there just not the same as they used to be... the deep meaning has gone.

why do you think they call it 'drop in and drop out" or somthing like that, you dose acid and you llive in a little dream inside your head and you dont get anything done. my room and car would be untidy and i would have weeks of free time, but never have time to concentrate or actually get anything done, whether it was just me or what, im saying that with my experience of acid, it puts you in an AMAZING dream where you dont do the things you should be doing, or you quit your job to join the 'circus' or somthing. and you beleive you can.

thats all im saying, and also i sapose if your dosing acid and you have a girlfriend or wife or somthing, and after a while, if you have a trip thats a bit bad or a bit MONUMENTAL your gonna come out of it a bit weird and thinking different thoughts, and shes gonna know your acting differnt and stuff... so im saying that this has an effect on relationships which is somthing that also needs to be considered.

i would say acid is great to do no more than 5-10 times in your life... split up by years.... i guess it only makes you real weird when you do it to much... and there you go my mind is skewed to see it thro my eyes so my mind is hard to concentrate.

and its funny cause when i was in the peak of enjoying the amazing qualities of acid, if anyone was to say anything about it , i would get as defensive as you guys...
so there you go, its just funny to me.
and iv seen about 15 or more of my friends do acid...

1 of them took acid once had a freaky trip and then left for sydney chasing a dream of becoming a musian a year ago hes still there working at an emergency center.

another took acid and now is quiting his job cause he thinks hes gonna be a model and be on tv, everone laughs cause he doesnt look like the type at all.

acid makes you wanna chase the dream... which i sapose is good, but can be seen as silly.

i stoped going to university when i took acid the second time, cause i realised it wasnt what i wanted to do.... that realsation hasnt done me anygood.

one of my friends is now on anti-psychotics.

acid has made us all become very differnt people

acid is an amazing experience, its easy to just wana trip all the time, and never have any responsibility or life in this society...

say what you wanna in your amazing dream after-glow your on....
but yeah, im not saying acid cant fullfill you forever...maybe it can.

 

now we're getting somewhere.

why did you get defensive? you were obviously giving them a reason to make such comments. perhaps you were defending yourself more than the LSD?

there were way too many "you"s in that comment, and not enough "me" and "I"s

look, I don't want to pull the "you aren't normal" card here, but you are nothing like most of us and dare I say, unstable. what applies to you could very well be, and is many times, a 180 degree flip from what applies to many of us.

all you have is your perception

and again with the "you"s...
the phrase is "turn on, tune in, drop out". and drop out doesn't mean stop being responsible rofl. turn on means use the LSD, tune in means tune into yourself and the infinity, drop out means to drop your perceptive filters, or the doors of perception as they liked to call it.

and you are exactly right, LSD will not give you insight or answers...you do that. you can do it without LSD also.

you say that everybody is "misconstued"

it's us right? not you, you are fine? no man. you are in denial, there's no easy way to say it.
do you really think you are right ? just stop doing the drugs, they aren't helping you.

 

You list all these things your friends have started doing after acid trips and categorically label them bad, but I just see the actions of some people who have been somewhat unshackled from society.

Shit, I wanna quit university like crazy too. It's absolute agony to go to this bullshit place and do their bullshit work for some bullshit paper, years of my life gone. But I'm also a grownup, and sometimes grownups have to do things they don't like to do.

Sometimes there is more to the picture than what you care about, and what you feel.

 

Peter i believe your depressed. Go out for help and invest your money into therapy and drugs that will help you.

 

I agree so much with you on this, Leary and Ram Dass are two contrasting possibilities of the effect LSD can have on a life.

Leary crossed the river and then choose to lug the boat around with him on the other side and Richard Alpert discarded the boat altogether. The truth is more complex than that, but it's a simple allegory that I think we've both heard and I also think it's well applied here.

Leary fascinates me and really appeals to my hedonistic side but the higher me knows there will come a day when I won't have a use for any kind of psychedelic experimentation.

But I'm still breaking out of my old skin, and an old life that was controlled by social anxiety, religious fear and dependence on an evil empire I once trusted and believed in.

I find LSD and mushrooms to be a great source of imagination fuel to help me counteract the oppressiveness of this society.


Peter I don't think you're entirely wrong, but I think you're a bit solipsistic. You're case is not everyone's, but you appear to find in others what you (maybe) subconsciously want to.

Projection and all that stuff. But everyone does it in small ways. Just please be open to the truth of this possibility.

 

I believe in chasing the dream.

 

I believe in chasing the dragon

 

Wow, you just keep missing the fucking point.

LSD is subjective, so just because it hasn't done anything beneficial in your life does not mean that it cannot do wonders for others.

You're really fucking dense! So many of your peers have taken the time to express this in different ways and you still don't get it!

It sounds to me like LSD was able to show you the light but you have been unable to make the change in yourself or apply what you have learned. This can be the most difficult part for a lot of us as we fall back into our old patterns with only just a week or two after the trip. You have to remember what you have learned while you apply it to your everyday life with discipline. LSD is not some magical potion that will change you overnight, LSD is a magical potion that will show you the light so that you can make the choice to change for the better but only if you want to. Whether or not LSD can change you for the better is up to you so when you post these ridiculous posts suggesting that LSD is not what people say it is all you're really saying is that you have failed to use LSD in a way that is beneficial. This does not suggest that LSD is not beneficial but it suggests that you do not know how to use it in such a way.

I can't wait to read your post after your next trip when you come on here telling everyone how wonderful LSD is again!

 

loL well if that be yur dream

 

man your just a fuckhead altogether. allways have been.

what grown up contunieslly takes drugs when they have a wife and child.

lsd is just a drug in the end, do we need it, no we dont.
lsd is said to not make you any more creative after having done it, only at the time. lsd is said to cause psychological problems.

what i guess is been my point this whole time is that, its easy to just want to trip out and 'learn' all this amazing crap that happens when you trip, but if you do too much, then try to stop and get on with your life or get married or somthing, its still their, could be forever, and your gonna have to live with whatever you have.
u cant take drugs forever.

i cant beleive what fuckheads everyone here is now.

but anyway fuck u's all. theres no tellin the unsane.

 

do you need to do anything?

 

I feel like Peter completely misses the point of drugs. As though there is "life", and there is "drugs", and those two are two different things.

"U can't take drugs forever"

We are drugs.

 

agreed. also aside from 3xi's bedside manner he's right, too.

I know too many people who can't feel good about themselves because they take drugs, and often the drug compounds guilt, leading to a belief that the drugs are inherently bad and inconsistent with a good life. When all the drug does is amplify you. Guilt is inconsistent with a good life. If you have guilt or low self-esteem, drugs will make you feel it more so.

It's really not a common belief on here that lsd is a panacea. It allows you to see but it doesn't save you and we still have to work to be well-adjusted, whole individuals. "Once in a while a man will stumble over truth, but he typically stands up, brushes it off and goes on his way again."

 

After doing my homework a while back I quickly came to the conclusion that drug use for every reason imaginable is right up there with agriculture as far as it's importance within human civilization. No it isn't necessary for every individual, but it's not something that will go away naturally.

 

It wasn't till my 6th trip that acid changed my life..it was the first time I really understood everything and could accept it for what it was. It was no delusion. Of course hallucinations could be classified as delusional, but the interesting thing was I was in total control of what I saw and thought..moreso than when I'm sober. I was staring at patterns on the ceiling, the light in my room changing color and it was all moving in distinctive patterns to the music I was listening to (which sounded unearthly). I would concentrate a certain way and manipulate what I was seeing, making things I was focused on appear to move or change color..like the small beads on the ceiling. Anyone else experience this? I was in total control of my reality.

 

I experienced this recently.. i was playing guitar and started making my fingers change shape.. extend from different knuckles.. change proportion. I realised that this was the absolute height of 'changing reality' because I never thought I could jsut think something into being... I soon stopped because I had no Idea if this sort of 'acid play' was the sort of thing to give me long-lasting perceptual problem .. I realise this not to be true now that Ive come down.. but it seemed like too much power to be controlling without any reprocussion

 

you seem to be wanting to do something
getting people to stop taking LSD isn't it

 

if he cant handle it, no one can, rygoody. because he is God