I'm going to wear the hijab

? I'm not a muslim if you are implying that. It's too bad you can spout ignorance on this forum and when I sincerely ask why you say what you say you won't even try to explain your posts or how my assumptions (I don't even know what to assume out of it) of them are wrong. I'm even wondering what you mean with the likes of you. I thought we were cool with eachother... must have missed something.

 

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"O you who believe! If a Fasiq ( openly sinful person) person comes to you with news, verify it lest you harm people in ignorance." [Qur`an 49:6]

 

LOL

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on hip forums. I know several Muslims and I'm pretty sure none of them are murderers.

 

Definitely some true colours flying in this thread.
Little sad.

 

You sure defend Islam even more than muslims themselves being a non-muslim as you claim. Perhaps you are considering a conversion? You seem to frequent this particular subforum a LOT.

Of course not all muslims are violent, you don't need an IQ above 100 to understand that..However the religion itself teaches violence, sexism, and intolerance, just as many other religions but in Islam it is a prominent feature. You might need an IQ above a 100 to understand the latter though.

 

I myself am not a Muslim but have spent time in the beautiful country Jordan and have many American Islamic friends as well. There are extremists in any religion Zionist Jewish people, KKK considers themselves a Christian organization, 12 tribes is considered a Christian commune as well despite their numerous child abuse charges, Islam has had cause statistically for less deaths than any other religion.

Also why are most okay with all the other women who choose to cover for modesty and religion?
We should all be free to believe whatever we want. Pray to the flying spaghetti monster and wash your hair in prego sauce for all I care if you're not hurting anyone, do it. The Muslims I have know in the US and outside are and were probably the kindest people I've ever met.

 

Perhaps it's more an EQ related matter, at least for certain people. I don't see how IQ is the critical factor here. I am not a religious person myself and definately not consider a conversion but yes I can identify very well with religious people so I know condemning them because of their religion is really quite pointless and often just creates more false justification for people to agitate against eachother. I like to think if I show my opinion just like agitating people do I at least show there's a different view. If the hatemongers can repeatingly spread their message in offensive posts why can't I give my view in reaction?

 

Also there are many different definitions of hijab and that's what you need to decide for yourself. How modest do you feel like you want/need to be? I've known Muslim girls in leggings and tight long sleeved shirts and ones that would only wear loose skirts.

Scarves are really popular and probably on sale now winters allegedly over lol. Or a Muslim girl/woman could simply purchase a pretty fabric and have it cut for her and make it prettier if desired with a necklace or pin.

 

I don't think any of the hate mongers your refer to are really hate mongers, if muslims would question their religion with serious reforms of the messed up teachings, more people would open their minds. It happened with Christianity, Judaism, but Islam is insisting on lagging behind. By all means you can give your opinion, just sayin' its not usual to have someone who claims to be a non-muslim, giving his 'reaction' on an internet forum to every post criticizing islam..but fuk it, its the internet anyway.

I lol'd at the guy above with the different hair covers in different religions. You do realize that half of these head covers are worn specifically by NUNS ? and its not forced on the general population as in Islam.

 

And Muslims can come from all different cultures if your heart is pulling you to Catholicism do it, Buddhism do it, Ilsam do it, Wicca do it. To each their own. follow you own mind, brain and heart. This first picture is of a Muslim in the olympics.. I don't think she felt too oppressed that day.

Once again all cultures and ethnicities.

Some would argue porn oppresses and brings women down more than covering.

 

That islam is forced on certain populations is something that I am seriously against myself as well. I know roorshack for example often makes objective and well informed posts and also that glenglen means well with most people, I don't even want to see them as hatemongers but technically it seems to be what they are doing with some posts in for example this thread. I am glad it is stated that people should see a difference between islam and individual muslims but if you never meet an individual muslim and proclaim they would kill you if you come up with a mohammed cartoon you obviously haven't met any normal muslim... or there is some other reason. If someone doesn't want to explain their posts at all I guess there's a chance people will make assumptions

 

Very few countries require women to cover their heads, actually. The religion itself does not. There are Muslim women who choose not to cover their heads it's a personal spiritual decision. Check it just like not all cover their faces not all choose to cover their heads.
http://www.wisegeek.org/why-do-some-muslim-women-wear-head-scarves.htm

 

The religion doctrines do require muslim women to cover their heads. Women who don't are westernized and mostly non religious and are considered sinners by most muslims and in many cases are also considered as whores.
Don't take your Islamic dose from westernized muslims Take it from the middle east/asia where it all began and is basically the geographic center of the religion.

 

The religious doctrine requires the prophets wives to cover their heads. It also says in rough translation for women to pull their cloaks close to their chests. This says something about booby modesty to me lol.. not arguing with the Muslims who differ imo. Just defending those who believe dressing modestly is enough. In Jordan I knew a couple virgin girls who only covered their heads during prayers. I never covered and was never treated with disrespect. During my brief time in Saudi, I had to wear the black abaya dress and head covering but the front of my hair could show. Once again a legal law not religious and I again was never treated without respect. I would say to any religiouns person judging another's purity to examine their own sins before anothers.

 

I hope you understand that the above graph is ridiculous considering that it is lumping pretty much the majority of the world under a Christian banner.

 

LOL, not a religious law????
Could you please enlighten us all with the purely secular reason for HAVING to wear a covering?

Not a religious law.......what a joke, and how naive of you.

I'm sure you were treated with respect.....to your face, behind your back I'll bet the majority of those you met thought of you as nothing more than a dog, assuming you're a westerner.

So if you want to defend particular practitioners of Islam, fine.
But please don't try to defend the teachings themselves, because they do promote abuse of women, killing of infidels, and all the other horrific crap that continues to occur today.
And those teaching have been codified into SECULAR law.

 

You don't make sense. A legal law not religious ? A law that is based on religion would be the correct phrasing.
The religion is centred around following mohammed's lifestyle and also his wives, friends etc. If you haven't noticed. You seem to be in denial.

 

R.I.P. bin laden

 

You got me on this photo because I can truely relate. As such allow me to share a bit about what happen to shape my point of view.

I can't hide from my past and I'm not going to try. (I'm not going to embelish or dwell on it either) But I did some things that I really shouldn't have done. So to set the record straight, before coming to Islam Iwas a real slapper and I had done the webcam shows for a few weeks.

Being a slapper was my own stupidity. I should have known better and there's no excuse for it. However the webcam stuff was an act of desperation and pure exploitation of me.

I needed money to pay for school. Ask anyone in the UK how much the rates have gone up. A job working in some hindi restaurant wasn't pratical because I have other obligations far more important and I would have incurred another expense. So what little I would have earned would have to be immediately spent. Therefore I tried the webcams and what a pathetic joke.

There was nothing liberating about it. The website owners wanted you to do free shows because it generates high amounts of traffic to the site. But the men aren't interested in a free show unless the see a woman doing something extremly vulgar and as for private time... Well there were cheats, there were men looking for a prostitute and almost no one wanted to spend any real money. Add to that I noticed one of my private webcam shows was uploaded to a tube site and it was obvious that women were just plain being used.

In the end I couldn't even justify the exploitation with a decent paycheck. With little or no other options to earn extra money that I needed. Something had to go.... Therefore I left school.

Now my coming to Islam had nothing to do with my webcam experience. But it does show me that a hijab is not opression against women. I had a religious experience that caught me up off guard. What I see now is how liberating it is to be chaste. And if there's any oppression, it's against the men that use and expoit women.

When I wear the hijab and I leave my flat... it's like a wonderful magic shield of amour protecting me. Plus it tells the other sisters that I'm with them in Islam and they have just been wonderful to me. In the short time since my religious experience I've gotten a lot more support and help than I've ever had before.

So yes I agree with that photo you posted. Nudity does NOT liberate me and I certainly don't need saving. Especially when you consider all those so called good christians had their chance and failed.

I'm a muslim woman and I'm proud to wear the hijab because it liberates me through modesty.