Im beginning to be more and more skeptical...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by zeppelin kid, Jun 19, 2006.

  1. zeppelin kid

    zeppelin kid Member

    I have watched the 9/11 loose change video numerous times and I have criticized it but when you take the time to understand what it says it leaves you with the fact that our own government killed 3000 of its own people.

    All you need to hear in loose change is the fact that Larry A. Silverstein the man who owned one of the trade centers leased it in July, a couple of months before 9/11 and that right there is telling you something.

    And then there are the put options on American Airlines which again is too much of a coincidence. It crosses the line between normal and not normal.


    The one big key to the evidence is that rich people like Silverstein and others did what typical rich people would do when things hit the fan and that is cover their own asses financially.

    Example Silverstein leasing his building two months before 9/11 and the put options taken on American Airlines mainly because people who know the stocks and money know all too well how quick stocks fluctuate when times are bad and in the case of American Airlines, times were bad.

    And since I've started reading the book Rule by Secrecy 9/11 would classify as a planned historical situation brought on by the rich elite that are running the show to gain whatever it is they have achieved post 9/11.

    But thats what I see know that I didn't see the first time I watched the video. I'm beginning to understand how history is always planned and how easy it is to brainwash the public into thinking how you want them to think. And I'm not even gonna mention the more obvious evidence of the pentagon and trade center explosions, the with held video footage by our government, Bin Ladens family escorted out of America....
     
  2. LickHERish

    LickHERish Senior Member

    Its good to see that you have finally taken the time to investigate and read more on the realities behind the patriotic slogans and sanitised news soundbites. These are speicifically crafted to avoid any substantive analysis that might alert the otherwise self-absorbed populace that a tiny minority have been diligently attentive to and intent upon establishing and manipulating our entire system (which so many just assume, with little critical reflection, operates by accident and not calculated design) whilst the majority just occupy themselves with their immediate surroundings.

    For those who have had either a head start on you in such investigatory scrutiny or have seen enough of the world outside our insulated shores, 911 was so transparently a domestically crafted reichstag fire repeat that it boggles the rational mind that so many refuse to recall the rapidity with which "official" mouthpieces began pointing the finger at Bin Laden and Afghanistan, all without a shred of court-worthy evidence ever having been presented.

    Once you understand the agenda at work (and i suggest while you are in investigation mode that you read Brzezinski's book "The Grand Chessboard" as well to see what the global stakes are for the presently ruling cabal) so much of what you have been sold about the Cold War era before your birth will also be exposed as another inflated mythology with no actual truth to the Great Commie Menace" threat used to keep the public onside.

    The only true terrorist threat sits comfortably in our institutional halls of power incrementally extorting the wealth and future opportunities of your generation and those that follow to fuel their insatiable lust for limitless wealth and control.
     
  3. zeppelin kid

    zeppelin kid Member

    Its amazing how at that point in time when the so called attacks took place how every citizen believed every single word that the news media had said and took no notion that it was all a big lie. Some people did question it right away but most of the people weren't willing to even consider that our governments were the ones responsible for everything.
     
  4. LickHERish

    LickHERish Senior Member

    Such is the nature of groupthink psychology, Zep. Individuals here and there may exhibit scepticism, but is iether quickly marginalised or forcibly attacked in order to re-establish conformity with the majority view (which is actually willful blindness). "Getting on with things" becomes the overriding dynamic that keeps people's heads down so that they don't become the objects of ridicule or scorn. For some this dynamic is furthered by the personal risk of losing one's livlihood for daring to question, no matter how glaring the evidence of treasonous criminality.

    In the end, the sheepish majority would rather permit flagrant organised criminals and mass murderers to rule over them than to exert the effort to join the few with the tenacity to stand up against them. If more of our public were willing to put away the myths and acknowledge that the American dream is just an illusion then perhaps sufficient numbers could be moboloised to bring the entire corrupt system to its knees and its architects out in chains.

    I do believe though that nothing short of widespread deprivation and suffering amongst our smug citizenry will provoke such acknowledgement and necessary mass action. The wheel turns slowly.
     
  5. zeppelin kid

    zeppelin kid Member

    Yes the 9/11 attacks are the Reichstag burnings all over again. But this time the enemy isn't the communist but the so called terrorists.
     
  6. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    Loose Change is not perfect, and there are several errors made which I don't think were intentional other than for the fact that these are just college students who made the film. As I have said, it's not the best 9/11 video, though it's one of the best produced, thus the most appealing and popular on the internet. Most of the mistakes that were made were over relatively minor things. The overall theme is irrefutable, which is:

    1)Declassified documents, such as Operation Northwoods, show the government has long pondered using false flag attacks to blame on their enemies to use as a justification for conflict and war, while scaring the masses into an unquestioning groupthink mentality, making them easier to control.

    2) Whether you believe a plane actually hit the Pentagon or not, there is no way Hani Hanjour, who couldn't even fly a single engine Cesna, managed to crash perfectly into the Pentagon, performing maneuvers that would be impossible for any commerical pilot -- let alone any Boeing 757 -- to pull off as we were mislead to believe happened on 9/11.

    3) Aside from the numerous eyewitness accounts from civilians and firefighters alike, who reported bombs and hearing explosions in and around the buildings, the idea that the buildings collapsed from fire is downright laughable, as the fires were nowhere near hot enough to melt steel, let alone the 47 massive steel columns that made up the central core of both towers (which was conveniently not even mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report). If if the trusses failed, as the official story claims, the 47 columns would still be standing. For the buildings to collapse the way they did, all 47 columns would have had to been cut with something like thermite (which would explain the molten steel at the bottom of the rubble) -- or perhaps maybe even some sort of thermonuclear device -- at the EXACT SAME TIME! Before 9/11 a steel-structure building had NEVER once collapsed from fire. Buildings are also not supposed to collapse at freefall speed, in under 10 seconds, while disintegrating into a fine dust.

    3) Building 7 -- ENOUGH SAID!

    4) The "crash" of Flight 93 is extremely suspicious, as NO wreckage was found in the field in Shanksville (except for a small to medium-sized crater). Instead, debris was scattered over an 8 mile radius, suggesting it was shot down in the air.

    Whether you believe the government orchestrated the attacks or not, the story of 19 Arab hijackers with boxcutters has become laughable to almost anyone who has looked at the facts with an open mind.
     
  8. zeppelin kid

    zeppelin kid Member

    The only question I have is if the planes or military aircrafts that were involved with 9/11 had no passengers on them, where are the real people on the original flights? Why are there family members who claim they had phone calls before they supposedly died. Are these hundreds of families lying or were told to keep quiet. Were they paid off and sent into a witness protection program. Thats the only part that is a question. Unless the government went all out on making up flight 93 and all of its 200 passengers and the people who are motherless or fatherless are paid actors. I really want to find the answer to that part of the equation.
     
  9. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

    Well, there are some things we're never going to know. I am not sold on the idea that planes other than Flight 11 and 175 were used in the attacks on the twin towers, though it is a strong possibility. I am, however, certain that whatever hit the Pentagon was NOT Flight 77, and that it's likely the plane landed at some remote location, possibly an Air Force or Army base, and the passengers on board the plane were killed and the aircraft was destroyed somewhere. The plane could have been crashed into the ocean for all we know. The planes all disappeared on the radar before they reappeared later, so who knows what happened during that period of unaccountability.

    As far as the calls from the plane, it's a common fact that cell phones do not work at 30,000, much less 10,000 feet, and that the calls had to have been forged. With the voice print technology available today, this would be simple. All you need is a small snippet of a person's voice and you can create a tape of that person saying whatever you want them to say, and it sounds just as if that person was talking to you.
     
  10. zeppelin kid

    zeppelin kid Member

    That is the question that needs to be answered or explained. If not then most all of the conspiracy theories on 9/11 would be disregarded.
     

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