Homosexuality and pedophilia are big parts of the Illuminati but you can not place that trait on all homosexuals. The reason The Illuminati seeks out children is they must corrupt innocence as part of their "Satanic" religion. There is nothing more innocent then a child. This is also why the Catholic church does this, they are in fact a wing of the Illuminati.
That all sounds a little nutty, but I think its the first time in this thread I've seen anyone actually try identify who the "illuminati" are Although when it comes to question as to who runs the world, its not the catholic church, they run all the countries with no money and way to many people
People talk about an "Illuminati". All I can talk about is different types of Masonic and similar groups. And I've been saying for ages that there are a LOT of homosexual paedophiles who have been in government positions in Britain. Some of whom I've known/been family friends with.(Obviously not after I knew what they were about!) The mainstream media is now reporting it. And even the Establishment media is saying most of it revolves around male homosexual paedophilia, not hetero or lesbian. I'm sure there's lots of heterosexual paedophilia, but thats not as prevalent amongst British politicians, as far as I can see. Probably more so in areas like entertainment. Its a carry on of the system in Ancient Rome/Greece is some ways. When seniors would exchange favours for the opportunity to sexually abuse. And as the victim got older, and in more positions of influence, it would be "the abused becomes the abuser". Anyone who thinks we have a legal system that protects against this must be living in cuckoo land. Just look how Jimmy Savile got away with it for decades. I mean some nonce having kids on his lap on live TV. That freak was absolutely brazen about it. Just like certain or rather, quite a lot of politicians. PS I think there are different aspects to it. One is "power". Another is a "buzz" from doing something sick and illegal, because they believe they will most likely get away with it. And these weirdos get into power because they become "bound to a code" with other weirdos. Ofcourse, they can also be blackmailed/manipulated if they are up to shit. Ofcourse there are also "cults", darker forms of Masonic *type* groups. That does exist, but its not an overridingly big thing. From the cases I've seen, some/much of the wacko Satanism shit seems to be part of their warped "roleplaying " games. Altho I'm sure some of nutjobs are deadly serious about it. Right up to the level of killing children.
this thread got really nutty.... homosexuals are people. not all homosexuals are pedophiles. there is no connection between pedophile and homosexuality. not all heteros are pedophiles either.... and gays are not a conspiracy, just really fabulous people trying to live and love.
There are those who believe sex between two men is deviant behavior, and once you start down that path it becomes easier to embrace all types of aberrant behavior – you must in order to satisfy diminishing returns Hotwater
The church ran all of Europe until a century or two ago and the Vatican still receives more foreign ambassadors then any other country on earth. The fact they are even considered their own country is proof they still have power. Their power now is just more underground. The Illuminati worship their own religion and present Catholicism as the religion to the masses. They know it is a lie but it keeps people from being a threat. The Illuminati realized they could make people think they were free and still be in control. If they did the people or their livestock will be more productive. For example a farmer knows it is best to give his animals some space to graze even if he plans to slaughter then one day. So the kings and queens who are the Illuminati blood line became figure heads like in England and "elected" governments came into being. Most American presidents are related to this Illuminati bloodline. This is why historically who royalty married was such a big deal. They need to keep the blood pure it goes beyond the social cast system mainstream historians would cite as the reason. The Bush's and the queen even look alike it is so obvious. And the ones that are not are chosen by the Illuminati.
Its an interesting part of the argument, the who are the illuminati part, not this gay agenda stuff How many people in the US do you think have even heard of the ICBC? According to Forbes, they are the biggest company in the world this year, 42 Billion in profits, assets of reportedly 3 trillion In comparison the Vatican Bank made 134 US Million in profit and has about 9 billion in assets. So to put it in perspective, 1 Chinese bank owns almost 350 times what the Vatican does. And there are another 3 chinese banks in the list of the worlds 10 biggest companies As far as religous organizarions, the mormons probably have more power, but we hardly hear a peep out of them Even when it comes to centuries past, as you said with Europe, the massive amounts of wealth needed for England to go to war with France, vice versa far outstripped what the church had to offer. Who exactly is it that runs the world now, Who was really running the world in Queen Victorias day, or even Caesars day? The influence of the church is just what you hear about. Whichever "church" never really in charge, just a tool to control the masses. It is also the Illuminati and their religous agenda
It would be interesting to see some stats on the subject. And how much experts believe is "undetected" or "unreported". There's a blog online that says male homosexual paedophilia is disproportionately high (altho ofcourse it doesnt say "all"). I have known about a number of male homosexual paedophiles who actually committed acts (about 8 or so, 4 of which were convicted for actual activity). But only ever one heterosexual one (he was 21, she was 15 and they ended up getting married). I've never heard about a lesbian paedophile. I've also not known very many male homosexuals. As we're talking about "Illuminati", the authorities accept that the paedophile investigations against British politicians focus overwhelmingly on homosexual paedophilia, and virtually no hetero. When I was a child, some of the boys would say "that man is a bit weird", but they rarely elaborated. I think one problem is that males are even more reluctant than females to report childhood sexual abuse. I have numerous male friends who received unwanted sexual advances from men, when they were kids.(None reported the matter) But I dont know of any girls. Ofcourse, no one is saying "all male homosexuals are paedophiles". However, we must consider that the male homosexual proportion of the population is relatively small(outside of certain occupations atleast). So why does there seem to be this mass of unreported case? This does tend to tally with conversations I've had with lawyers, cops and social workers. PS remember in this thread, we were originally talking the highest ranks of Establishment (or "Illuminati" to some people), altho the thread has strayed.
The Church itself is powerful but not that powerful in bare economic terms. However, there are certain groups with Protestant, Catholic, Jewish affiliations etc. Infact their whole networking systems revolve around it. Banking= Jewish and Protestant. Chocolate, for isntance, is often Quaker families! Then you have Masons, Catenians, Knights of Malta and many more. When someone reaches x million dollars, its not all about what car/house they have. Its more about the type of world they want to shape. So their affiliation might meet up and say "right lets do xyz". Thats where the real power lies. A slightly indirect one. Organised crime also funnels money thro religious organisations too. Its commonly accepted. Finally, the Vatican etc do also do things directly. Via its military capability (a secretive mercenary group that they own), its bank, and other groups. Altho these are very small in relation to their indirect powers.
There's also a blog online that says if you give $50 I'll send you a pamphlet that will solve all your problems. So now what YOU know is representative? God help us.
The Illuminati always have run the world. Since the days of Babylon and Egypt their bloodline has ruled. But they are very racist and there are Asian family's and they are viewed by the white blood lines as inferior. So even to this day there is tension between Asia and the west. In the westerner's mind the alien DNA the Asians have is from a lower slave class of Reptilians where they are descended from the ruler class. Note the kinds of China and Japan said they were descended from dragons. This is the Draco class of Reptilians and they do have wings. I think this explains the dragons we see in mythology.
So asians look asian because they have alien (ET) DNA? How do you know of that Illuminati bloodline (you saw a family tree? That goes back that far?)? If not, what convinced you it is so?
This is all lame. There are much, much better, faster and more efficient ways to depopulate the Earth, with or without any help from aliens. The most natural way to de-populate the planet and would take roughly about 20 years to see dramatic decreases, and then probably start to level off at numbers much less than are currently seen..... withhold health care for terminally ill people, stop treating cancer and similar issues. People will still keep making babies same as always, we just don't keep people alive beyond what they would naturally, and population numbers will decline and regain manageable amount. We are not suffering over-population of the planet because of more births, but because of fewer deaths/longer lifespans. or we could genetically engineer people so they are only four feet tall in height, we can fit twice as many in the same building site. or smallpox is still an option. silly conspiracy loons
Not really because it’s a multi-pronged approach and the gay agenda is but one in a series of initiatives to de-populate the planet Hotwater
i don't believe the real, corporate, white supremist, "illuminati" are that smart. it would be a wonderful thing if they were. lowering the human birthrate, in the most pleasant and non-draconian way, would be the best possible thing for today's world. our current population excess, exacerbates every other major cause of harm. burning coal to boil steam, would have been a perfectly fine way to power everything, had human population never exceeded that of the 1830s, when it was just becoming common. every other environmental disaster, which threatens our species future, is magnafied by the excessiveness of our current level of human population.
Why would the illuminati want to de-populate anything? Without people to control, you don't have any control. Without people with less money, your money means nothing. If that was the case, why would gay people enjoying themselves being gay hurt anything? So they're not having kids, and they're enjoying life.... does it hurt you?
They will have people to control -- just a lot less than they have now. Less people to control are easier to control, and they use up less resources. The elite, or "Illuminati," as they're called, also don't care about money, since they print it and determine its value. It's simply a means to their ends (or ours, rather). However, I don't think homosexuality is promoted to decrease the population. They have more efficient ways of doing that.
I'd say they should get on with these more efficient ways on the double. Otherwise they'll look like a big hoax.