Illegal Immigrants

Article 14.

• (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
  
  (2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
  

Article 15.

• (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
  
  (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
  

Article 16.

• (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
  
  (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
  
  (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
  

Article 17.

• (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
  
  (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
  

Article 18.

• Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
  

Article 19.

• Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
  

Article 20.

• (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
  
  (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
  

Article 21.

• (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
  
  (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
  
  (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
  

Article 22.

• Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
  

Article 23.

• (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
  
  (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
  
  (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
  
  (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
  

Article 24.

• Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
  

Article 25.

• (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
  
  (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
  

Article 26.

• (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
  
  (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
  
  (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
  

Article 27.

• (1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
  
  (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
  

Article 28.

• Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
  

Article 29.

• (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
  
  (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
  
  (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
  

Article 30.

• Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
  

 

So how does this relate to Illegal immigrants being here.........
It doesn't.

Article 14.


(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.

(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

 

immigrants rule!

 

LEGAL immigrants rule
ILLEGAL immigrants don't

 

That was specifically in response to this.

Do you really want my opinion on this issue? I think most of y'all are a bunch of ignorant xenophobes. Morally, but not legally, I think you owe these people amnesty. Much of your wealth is built on their suffering, and much of the poverty they are attempting to escape has historically been caused by America.

As an example, lets look at Mexico's illegal migrant problem - they come north from Central America, particularly from Guatemala. Who, in 1954 removed democracy from Guatemala? America (if you don't know what I am referring to, do a little research into the UF, CIA, and Arbenz). This American "regime-change" slew 80,000 civilians, a situation genuinely creating a need for asylum. If America is in part responsible for Mexico's illegal migrant problem, why exactly should they not try to offset this problem onto you?

 

*that was specifically referring to the Mexican "problem" in the USA. Yes, I am aware that many of you are not American.

 

spooner i've grown accustomed to your po po picture and find myself missing it.

 

its in my gallery still. twice, actually i think. feel free to make it your desktop background.

 

There is always a huge gap between morality and legality.

 

Too bad on the international arena America has neither.

 

Too bad is correct. But the world isn't perfect.

 

Taking out the hypothetical aspect ruins the whole point of argument.

 

Not quite following ^^^

 

Obviously the US isn't going to be forced to give Amnesty. But saying they don't have to is a lot different than saying they shouldn't.

 

I'm always renting out a room in my house to some Mexican, only because I want to practise my Spanish everyday and it's a good way of doing it. The last one and current roomer both have been here in the U.S. for 15-20 years and neither of them have ever paid a dime in income taxes and they have no intention of doing so, even though they have green cards. I have looked at the income tax structure of Mexico and these same people would be paying taxes in their own countries but once here, they don't feel like they should be paying ANY taxes, and they make as much money as I do, if not more, than I do in construction. And neither of them can speak any English to speak of. One of them is saving to buy a restaurant in Zacotecas, the other one saving to buy some rental property in Guadalajara. One of them got injured in a work site and had to go to the Emergency room and the bills kept coming in the mail, all unopened and thrown in the trash. I just bought some property in the hills of Tijuana, planning to build a house, but I will not own the land,I must pay some fat banker $550 a year to keep it from being seized. Once my house is built, I'm forbidden to work down there. And if I need medical help down there, I pay first then be treated. I have talked to the locals in the bars in Tijuana and I've encountered those that have visas and passports for the U.S. and have never used them, have no desire to cross that border even to go to Disneyland. They love Tijuana and Mexico but they don't have those green eye$ which most of them that come here have. But then, in Saudi Arabia where Americans have gone to seeking higher paying jobs, those people over there who see these Americans, probably conclude that the rest of Americans are just like them, there for the money only. Like many of us here, if were were promised double what we make here over in Saudi Arabia, how many of us would go? And who's to blame for all of this? Most americans live in terror of the IRS, fearful one day we'll be audited. The IRS, with all their surveillance technology, SURELY must know what's going on here, yet do you ever read of an IRS agents arresting one of these criminals for back taxes or seizing their property? If we are going to allow these criminals to stay here, then to make the best of the situation, make damn sure these people are paying their fair share of taxes.

 

Spooner I'm glad to see your sig pic is back! It's way funny.

 

wonder why all the protest is for ...california and texas did belong to mexico after all ..it was robbed from them if i remember my history correctly .as far as illegals ..i wonder what kind of protest would be heard if we threw all the illegal americans here in jail .........and yes there are a lot of illegal americans in canada ..........i know quite a few in my town here .....just as we hid quite a few draft dodgers way back in the 60s .....some are still around and for some reason or other never got around to apply for immigrant status

 

The mexicans, actually the spanish, STOLE the Southwest from the Indians and if anyone should decide who it belongs to or not belongs to should be the Native American leaders of the remaining Native American tribes of the Southwest. They should take a vote on it. IF they had been able to retain the Southwest, then they would be currently hopping the borders of northern California, northern Nevada, northern New Mexico, Colorado, Texas and THEN claiming the Northwest was once part of mexico or even Canada. Mexico would like us to believe if ONLY they had the Southwest back, their economy would be rivaling Germany, Chile, China or Japan. I say let's give it back to them ONLY AFTER they put enough steam into their economy that Canadians and Americans will head south for higher-paying jobs. Yes, let the Native American leaders of the Southwest decide if Mexico should have it back. But given the lack or abscence of Indian reservations in Mexico I have a pretty good idea which way the vote will go.

 

I support illegal immagration.

 

If we are to continue with allowing illegal immigrants into this country, then let's be more fair about it. Right now, it's too much in favor of the Mexicans. I say let's allow the next 1000 come from Honduras, the next 1000 from Guatamala, the next 1000 from Nicaragua, or people from countries poorer than Mexico, let's let a 1000 poor immigrants in from the Phillipines, India, China, Russia, and so forth, but right now, It's mexicans, mexicans, mexicans. It's just not fair to allow the largest percentage come from Mexico, and many of them aren't even poor and destitute to begin with, many of them have had jobs with pay down there that they can actually live on, but they come here because they want more and more and more. They only have big dollar signs in their eyes, I call them the green-eyed Mexicans. I say let's return a couple million Mexicans back to Mexico and substitute them with people from the poorer countries, IF we're going to continue on with this illegal immigration.