If you're atheist why brother so much with G-d?

Why do you people keep validating this pathetic statement?

First, many, like me, hate "god", period.

Second, THEY ARE THE SAME GOD, THE GOD THAT MADE A COVENANT WITH ABRAHAM? SAME GUY! If I attack a catholics god, I'm attacking a wahabbi's god, a eastern orthodox jews god, a protestant's god at the same time.

 

First of all, his statement is not pathetic, it's a good point. Your anger only helps to prove the validity of his statement by showcasing your own insecurity to go about your own beliefs without attacking other's beliefs.

Second of all, you do not HATE god. I can confidently assume you don't even know what god is. One has to study "god" for a long time and at least try to see it in action before they can altogether dismiss its existence. How do you know god doesn't exist if you've never tried hard to find it? How can I assume cars don't exist if I've never tried to see one?

Third of all, I half agree with your last statement. All gods represent the same one idea. However they assume different forms with different messages and different versions of worship. Therefore the archetypal figures themselves are different, though the ultimate message may be the same.

 

Let's forget where we all are in the language! People of all...er...'persuasions' can have their hearts in the right place! lol

All we need to do is remember what it is we ALL want!

 

You said it best brother

 

Believe is what people do when they don't know the answer. They tend to believe the most convincing thing with very little of their own researching. It's just easier, and humans are, in general, a lazy species that likes to do things the easy way. So, of course, the popularity of religion is almost fanatical. It's just sooooo easy to believe that there's this "eye in the sky" watching to see whether you've been a good little boy or girl. It's easier to let someone else decide your life and how you live it, isn't it? Let go. Let god. Isn't that how it goes?

Whatever. I'm not an atheist, but I don't believe in god, either. I would rather consider myself "nontheist" or something of the like, because I can't just make myself run around blindly believing in something. I know my own good, and that's just about enough god for me, thank you.

 

To believe is all we ever can do. Nothing is proven. There is no proof for or against god. There is no proof you exist (from my perspective), there's no proof I ever was anything other than what I am right now. Therefore we have to believe. To retain sanity, health, relationships, and well-being. Belief is necessary. However we can choose what we believe in.

If we don't have belief (in certain senses), we have nothing.

 

mushrooms?

 

Okay mahn, yoo koowl whid me djen
Kmone down and weh reahd da chicken entrails for yew

 

If I don't have beliefs, then I have knowledge. And THAT is everything to me.

However, I totally understand where you're coming from with this thought, but I would rather use the word faith instead of believe. I used to believe in god, and I used to believe there wasn't a god. Bottom line is, I don't know for sure, so I'm not going to believe anything I hear from either side.

I figure I may have the answer when I'm dead. Until then, I gotta carry on with the goodness.

 

Are you doing Huck Finn or ****** Jim?

 

Ooooh that's just dopespeak. It sounds a bit rastafari when he says it aloud.

 

That's a great point. Are faith and belief the same thing? Nope. "Believe" was used in this particular discussion but I get what you're saying, and I agree.

Belief is used as a survival instinct or coping mechanism. Knowledge is used to see and to do.

 

Do you know how to tie your shoes or do you only believe you know how to tie your shoes. I know it is difficult to tease apart belief from knowledge because we are taught belief as thought it were knowledge, however knowledge is, being shared.

 

I feel sorry for the people who randomly believe in stuff just for the sake of finding some security or comfort. There is far greater comfort in KNOWING.

Evangelism and a bunch of other "isms" have ruined me for getting to know any form of religion, I'm afraid, but if ever I come upon some true knowledge I wouldn't rule it out.

(tried to rep you, but apparently I've already been too generous with you. )

 

I can't be sure that I know anything other than that I exist. If I had a stroke tomorrow I could be left not knowing familiar faces, the names of colours, or how to tie my shoes. So, did I ever "know" how to tie my shoes or was I so convinced that I knew how, I was able to do so.

Example- I used to play music live. Sometimes I would be so nervous I'd forget how to play a certain song. Did I ever know the song in the first place or did I believe that I knew how to play it (and was thus able to do so), forgetting the moment I no longer believed in myself.

 

If you're going to be clinical about it, I guess so!

We've been far too generous in saying love is the way to life and vice versa! lol

 

Don't, life can be scary for some people. I'm afraid of heights, others are afraid of a godless world. To each their own fears.

There is, but knowledge can also be terrifying. I've often been quite afraid when reading the most logical philosophy. I think this is why so many people hate Nietzsche/his work. His work is written with crystalline honesty and truth, but the truth can often be terrifying.

That's a good way to be. Know much but believe in nothing.

 

What you are describing is modeling, organizing a negotiable framework for expression. If you lie comatose on a park bench you are exhibiting knowledge. The universe is made up of information.

 

thedope:

lollolol Quote of the thread.

 

Is that framework not belief itself? A series of suspected truths built on top of one another to build one final belief.

The park bench thing only works from someone else's perspective. Funny though.


You said the universe is made up of information. For what purpose does it have to relay that information? To share it?