If you're atheist why brother so much with G-d?

stop being a pussy and fly to the middle east and fight Allah.......then I'll take your " oh I'll kill god and jesus " thing a little bit serious.

 

Some Atheists, very far from most Atheists

My say in all this highlights a simple fact: The belief in a god or gods is tied with a culture that can effect all people it involves itself with, including Atheists. Ergo, Atheists are trying to achieve what they believe to be right in the name of people effected by said culture via spreading their views.

I'm also urged to put up the question "Why are there some Christians that are so obsessed with telling me there is a god and why are there so many more of them then there are obsessed Atheists?"

 

We've only just begun to discover ourselves.

When Galileo discovered the earth revolved around the sun (and not the other
way around), the resulting agreeable consensus wasn't instant.....it takes time.
The truth isn't predicated on being able to convince everyone.

Today we are coming to understand evolution, but we are repeating the act of
Galileo vs the Catholic church first. Only this time they cant ban our data or throw us in prison for heresy.

 

This is the definition of atheism. You've outted yourself as an atheist.

 

I personally push back at the force that pushes me. In the case of most Atheist that is the christian faith. I add to that the absurd teachings and the empty claim of love while they have kill hundreds of millions more than any other religion in our human history. I feel no remorse in exposing the untruths of their myth based teachings.
If it was another group knocking on my door every weekend or who had been connected with so many genocides I would be just as hard on them.
The other truth is the rest target the ignorant and backwards. They will die out on their own in time if we keep educating the masses.

 

Hate kills. Your propaganda is typical of the hatemongers who are responsible for much of the world's bloodshed. You allege that Christians have "kill (sic) hundreds of millions more than any other religion in our human history." Show us the sources of your information. According to Michael Harner in The Enigma of Aztec Sacrifice, the Aztecs alone sacrificed 250,000 humans a year to their various gods. Do you think the Christians killed more people than that? And when you speak of "Christians", are you including the Quakers, the Methodists, the Disciples of Christ, etc. Can you show that any of them killed anyone, or were indirectly responsible for their deaths? What is it about the teachings of Jesus that would inspire anyone to kill? So why do you tar innocent Christians with the crimes of a minority, committed long ago?

 

Yeah, I'd say christians still kill many more than that.

Regardless, he's quite right, people push against the force that pushes on them. In america, christianity constantly molests atheists or other nonbelievers, just like in this passive-aggressive thread. I bother with god because his fanatical, deranged followers bother with me.

 

Sources? Speculation doesn't count, especially when it's accusing all members of a major world religion of atrocities.

Tit for tat, eh? But is it effective? Jesus said No. Atheism in the United States seems to be growing in reaction against the hypocrisy and aggression of the religious right. This is certainly true in Oklahoma. But the atheists in my state use finesse, repaying aggression with kindness. Try it. It works, just like Jesus said.

 

I'm not accusing all members, just the worldwide equivilent of the christian right. And the muslim right. And just about every other religious right.

I agree, kindness is great. But you need to know when and how hard to push.

 

Then we agree. The religious right of all religions is dangerous: Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and even Buddhist.

 

Christianity never killed anyone. Shows your ignorants. It was the catholic church that were the true murders.

Theres a difference between catholicism and another christian sects.

 

We live in a phenomenal world, not a morally induced one.

Helpful is a matter of timing, not of principle.

The thing that allows mans inhumanity to man is his level of self identification.
The reason groups find contention in each other is that they tell themselves the other group is not me or mine. We have a native prohibition against self destruction but the other or outsider is expendable, undeserving of personal devotion.

Special endowment is ignorance's greatest defense against the truth. It doesn't matter if the special nature comes from religious beliefs or secular beliefs. All you need is a sense of "rightness" that you cannot share with someone else for whatever reason.

Nothing is so tastefully arranged as nature and the sun lights every alike except where we ourselves would cast a shadow.

 

It never fails to amaze me how Christians will divide and attack other denominations about who is Christian or not. One think you need to remember is the Catholic Church is the foundation and founder of the Christian faith. Kick at it’s validly and you are chipping away at your own validation. I have mentioned this before, but think if you think your religion is not violent then you need to read your Bible. Christianity has and is continuing to kill millions. The religion is a blight on humanity, and the idea of following blindly reflects poorly on the intelligence of the masses.

 

You are showing your ignorance. Catholics are the foundation of the Christian faith. From them came the Protestants, and all the rest who see the Christ myth as their savior. Your problem is you don’t like the history of the christian faith so try to distance it or change it to meet the view you want. It won't work anymore, humanity is getting too smart to buy the smoke and mirrors, we see the christian past and many are now holding your religion accountable for it.

 

Not the only founder (and also not the earliest). And even in a holy war the motives aren't always the most obvious ones.

 

Well, as an atheist, I am strong in my belief that there is no god, of any religion.
I don't try to push my beliefs and I respect everyone else's. My mum is a catholic and we sometimes can have heated discussions on religion because of our different views but I'd never try and remove her visions of God from her life just like she would never try to push him into mine, more just try to get my point of view across and respected, just as I listen to and respect hers.

There are extremists in every religion, just as there are atheist or agnostic extremists. It's not one sided, same with things like anarchism and feminism, one small group of extremists can ruin it for the majority.

 

You may be showing some ignorance of your own. What is the Catholic Church? I'd say it's a hierarchical organization claiming authority over Christendom by virtue of apostolic succession. Originally, by the second century, there were several versions of Christianity, some worshipping as many as 365 deities--one for every day in the week. There was no agreement on Jesus' humanity, His relation to God, and what His mission was, whether the God was the God of Moses and Abraham or an imposter, Whether the Old Testament was the word of God or of an evil Demiurge, etc. Worship was decentralized and largely centered in house churches, with women playing a leading influence. Doctrinally, three major positions could be distinguished: the Nazerene/Ebionite Christian Jews centered in Jerusalem, who retained Jewish dietary customs and circumcision, and thought of Jesus as the Messiah and the adopted Son of God; the Gnostics, who saw Jesus as a divine messenger of secret knowledge which would enable His followers to understand the true nature of their existence; and the Paulists, who saw Jesus as the sacrificial lamb who would take away the sins of the world and bring eternal life. There was no common New Testament, but a variety of documents used in services by different sects claiming to be Christian. In the Third and Fourth Centuries, clerics like Ireneas, Eusebius, Cyprian and Athenasius were influential in centralizing authority under the bishops, identifying a canon of accepted scriptures, and identifying views that could be considered heretical.The result was the institution we know as the Catholic Church, founded on the legitimating myth of apostolic succession and the Petrine doctrine, patterned in organizational structure after the Roman Empire, and embracing Paul's theology against Gnostic and Ebionite rivals. Eventually , the bishops of Rome were able to assert their supreme authority as "Popes" over the edifice, but that claim did not really gain legs until the late fifth century under Pope Gelasius I. By bringing order out of chaos, the Church became a player in the turbulent politics of the era and proved the superior survival value of its memes. This is not necessarily the same as superior merit from the standpoint of truth. It isn't necessary for Christians to believe that this institution, the Catholic Church, which bested its rivals in politics, represents the true church of Jesus, nor that its complex priestly theology embodies the views of Jesus. Might doesn't make right.

 

maybe it does.