If you're atheist why brother so much with G-d?

I so agree! : )

 

oops! That last post saying I agree was supposed to be in response to wild-flower's post! I'm new here, can you tell? : )

 

Very good and true points! Thank you!

 

Just click the "quote" button on the post that you are trying to refer to and it will send you to a reply page with the words already there in quote tags (and it will end up looking like this)

I agreed with everything you've said so far, including you agreeing with wild-flowers

 

what do you mean exactly?

also, Atheism is falsifiable. If a god were pop his head out the clouds and say "lol, I've been hiding behind the moon the whole time" then almost all atheists would abandon their beliefs

Christianity, for example would say "oh, it's not meant to be taken literally" or "your interpreting it wrong". e.g. creationism

and it's not hypocritical- the majority of atheists are only spreading rational and logical thought, something which is neutral and not imposing the lack of belief of god at all.

 

How do I convince myself the earth is flat.

 

Pascal's Wager is the stupidest thing ever and makes no sense.What are other's thoughts on this?

 

I'm not sure if this is a direct response to my post but just in case: I was drawing attention towards the absurd idea that one can choose what he
believes.

I don't think its that people want to believe god exists, but rather, people want to believe they have a coherent grasp on reality.

God fits into the vast majority's model of reality simply because the idea doesn't and cant overlap with what we find in a telescope or a carbon atom; its like multiplying an entire equation by 1.....it doesn't change anything

As far as Pascals wager, Well-- it postulates a very cynical and gullible god who apparently has no admiration for intellectual consistency, courage, honesty, anything like that.

What are principals for, if not to be sold in the hopes of a future?

 

All our advancements come from the impulse for transcendence.

 

No.

For the reasons he said, I said, and many other people said in this thread. The reasons I will say yet again below this.

If you need a book to tell you right from wrong, you obviously are not a very good person on your own.

Atheists are often driven much more strongly to be good people, we don't get forgiven for all our fuckups, and we don't live eternally after said forgiveness is bestowed upon us.

Those who say "atheists have no morals", or "then how do you know right from wrong" are obviously very very lost people, and need to be put into some sort of inpatient religion detox program.... Get that evil shit OUT of ya.

 

Religious morality is an illusion. It is false and biased, and based on fantasy.

Justice will be handed out in ANOTHER FANTASY WORLD... Jesus died so you can sin... That's some great moral foundations there!

 

Jesus did not die for you to sin, he died because you sinned. The point being was to encourage people to stop sinning because we had a clean slate. Of course it did not work, but that does not change your error. It was not the only time god tried to give humans a second chance at morality.

The reason to invent a fantasy world were you will be punished for your sins is because the people who made up Christianity realized a couple thousand years ago what everyone still knows today. That sometimes, good things happen to bad people and/or some of those same bad people never get punished for their crimes. Karma is a nice thought, but it does not make us feel any better when we would like to see war criminals like certain untouchable political figures punished for there lies and crimes against humanity, but instead live in luxury and continue to influence the political system.

 

I can't speak for all atheists, but in coming to hold any belief system don't you have to take account of what the fellow on the opposite side of the aisle believes? After all, I need to know something about, say, Christianity in order to make an informed decision about why I'm rejecting it and what it is that I'm rejecting. Were it otherwise I'm just burying my head in the sand and being dogmatic.

That's one reason why an atheist would "bother about God."

 

I agree. And I also hate that whole forgiveness crap! It takes away all personal accountability for you one has done. Also, I hate the way christians think all sins are the same. Fuck that! If I am viewed the same as a child rapist because I stole candy from a store once when I was little, that is some fucked up shit that I don't want to be a part of!

 

That is a good point/answer. I am a devout atheist and I've taken bible classes for that very reason. In any argument, one should be well enough informed of the opposing side to be able to argue it too. That is the only way to win a debate.

 

Just thought I'd post that I think most atheists call themselves so because they see flaws in the logic and reasoning that theists have. They do not believe in god, because there is no evidence to support it. This is the same reason people don't believe in invisible pink unicorns.

 

What we see in the world are energetic phenomena. All energetic phenomena are lawful. We have a false idea about the nature of harm. Our lives are a series of sensations some of which we call pleasant and some not so. This is true no matter your station in life. Anxiety is caused by the difference between what really happens and what you believe should happen.

If we could understand that nothing real can be threatened we could totally eliminate desperate acts. The apparent disharmony in our lives is caused by the inability to see things as they are. A mind without anxiety is wholly kind. Forgiveness is not about forgiving evil deeds, it is about clearing our minds of a history of our own inaccurate judgments about the nature and causes of the world, so that we may unravel, in a meaningful way, our self generated difficulties.

There is no reason that the world should exist problematic for us.
If we have not solved our current problems it means that our previous learning is suspect. This is the reason for forgiveness. We forgive the world our own judgments against it.

 

I wouldn't consider god an advancement. Its like multiplying by 1...

 

Just saying god is an effect of an endemic human thrust, the impulse for transcendence, to go beyond. It is that impulse that accounts for ingenuity.
Sometimes innovation comes from a linear application of principles, but more often innovation come from out of time intervals, "eureka moments". Those moments occur when we have sufficiently invested or intended ourselves toward the solution of a problem. When it "means enough" to us. Fundamentally different solutions do not regularly arise from habitual streams of mental association.