If You Don't Believe In God Your Stupid

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  1. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Simply by using your brain :) I'm not concerned about people deriving it partly from their religion/spiritual beliefs though and can even appreciate it. But not when they dismiss their own thoughts and feelings that contradict with a dogma or some biblical moral principle.
     
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  2. Wu Li Heron

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    It was, of course, a joke but, again, worshiping the "continuation of we" suggests pagans are merely worshiping extensions of themselves. I might love and respect nature just as I might love and respect myself, but worship is another animal altogether.
     
  3. Asmodean

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    Paganism is a gathering term for a broad range of different pagan beliefs.
     
  4. themnax

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    consideration IS morality. right avoids causing harm. at the very least honestly seeks to. and this cannot be achieved by hating logic.

    differing beliefs have more in common then differing, even if some are polythistic and some don't have the or even reject the concept of a hierarchy of divine beings.

    every belief encourages its followers to defend their faith and each other, but this is not a mandate or even a license from on high to attack each other.

    fanatics don't care that its not, because whatever they may claim or imagine, its not their professed belief they care about, but only using it as the excuse, that no belief really is.

    none of us really KNOW what there is beyond what is known to science. we know there is more then we have yet to explore or imagine though.

    and there's a universal sense of the wonder of strangeness we can all experience.

    there's no reason there can't be a god, or even lots of them, there's just no reason it or they, can't exist without having anything to do with any known belief either.

    nor for that matter, are gods or a god, something that would have to exist. rather they are something that can exist without having to.

    i love and appreciate that sense of wonder one finds in beauty and the strangeness of it and the strangeness that makes it so.

    i do not feel i have to call myself a follower explicitly of any one belief, to embrace the good that is to be found in all of them.

    and it is there, its just that fanatics turn their back on it to make their excuses for hate. and their hate has no moral mandate, nor license from any god.

    now i do have a disagreement with all chauvanism. christianity and islam are the worst, and about equal in it. buddhism is not completely sanctified from it either, but far less then half as bad.

    its also, some sects within the same belief are so far apart as to be almost different ones, so there isn't one blanket situation with all of any one of them.

    they all, in their beginning, were motivated, often out of desperation, to get people to care, and want to avoid messing things up for each other, but for people who are inclined to consider all things to begin with,

    while they may bennifit from the love of what might be, are not dependent on it, to regulate their own behavior. i'm probably getting way tl:dr.

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    the short version is: consideration = morality.
     
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  5. Irminsul

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    Well there has to be one link doesn't there? We never got from monkey to human over night. Show me that link. If you have all your answers and arguments then show it.

    You can't.

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  6. Vanilla Gorilla

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    I don't.

    Just becuase people have the ability to say words doesn't mean they themselves believe what they are saying.

    Do you really believe most North Koreans love their leader? Becuase you don't see any of them express otherwise.

    Do you really believe the majority of theists, who for the most part stick with the religion they grew up with, do so becuase they have researched all alternatives and its just happy coincidence the religion they grew up with is the best one.


    Not only can people say stuff contrary to what they actually believe, they can also not know or understand why they believe it
     
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  7. Irminsul

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    Case & Point.

    I'm only posting what I'm posting because I know it irritates y'all. ;)

    I don't believe monkeys have evolved at all. If we evolved from monkeys there why are there monkeys? It would make more sense to me that evolution would actually evolve a species, not pick and choose when and what. That the whole species would evolve.

    But that's clearly not the case so I don't have to waste my energy thinking about it. Monkeys are monkey and apes are apes If they evolved to humans then I wouldn't have to see or read about it.

    They didn't though, and that's why they're still in the jungles or in zoos. How could you possibly think that after 500,000 year WE progressed but they didn't? That seems very flawed to me. And don't be telling me they have evolved jaws or teeth or claws or some shit, you're suggesting that in a short period of time we went from jungle monkeys to human beings, and that we don't need a link because in "theory" it's a legit sentiment.

    My point is, I personally don't believe that evolutions picks it matches. It doesn't go okay today this monkey will evolve. Evolution must encompass a whole species and that's why there aren't neanderthals walks around today, because they've clearly evolved from Neanderthal. But there's still that one missing piece of the puzzle isn't there. The holy grail of links.

    And the answers are right their in the first culture of Sumaria. They already answer why. Because us as we know ourselves we're created, genetically, before we even knew what genetic manipulation is, it was grossly written about in our first religion.

    That we were fashioned to look like our maker, is the biggest clue and answer to our evolutionary existence.

    I don't believe the first human as we know ourselves would have even comprehended or conceived the idea of being created by a maker. From lands and countries that aren't even full of monkeys, they hadn't seen monkeys... but they knew they had been created as humans fashioned to look like their gods. And it was really only the hairless skin and that's why we lost our fur because we were taught to dress ourselves. Otherwise why don't we have our fur or hair anymore? We still need to dress ourselves in order to obtain body heat so why did we evolve to a point beyond that?
     
  8. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    We never got from monkey to human period. They're different branches.
     
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  9. Meliai

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    We didnt evolve from monkeys. Monkeys, apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor

    We dont have fur anymore because the ability to run long distances became neccessary to our survival and in order to run efficiently we needed to sweat.
     
  10. MeAgain

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    The term "missing link" predates Darwin.

     
  11. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    The platypus
     
  12. Irminsul

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    It's debatable whether the human body was designed for running. :D
     
  13. pensfan13

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    being that humans can run long distances better than any other animal it is not much of a debate
     
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  14. Irminsul

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    Which brings us to shoes. Why do we need shoes for? Shouldn't we have evolved like the horse with appropriate footwear for running on the earth?
     
  15. Irminsul

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    We can also hold our breath for minutes, we still don't belong under water. :)
     
  16. pensfan13

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    running on the earth? sure...running on man made things like black asphalt and broken glass, not so much
     
  17. pensfan13

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    but we can be under water for minutes
     
  18. Irminsul

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    Well then it makes sense that we can run too. But just because we can doesn't mean we shouldnor that that is our sole purpose.

    Personally we'd run to catch food, but I think our brains were designed to be able think, capture food.
     
  19. Irminsul

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    And why are we eating meat now? When the ape families don't. Something very significant happened with that evolution. That's not just a little coincidental change.

    Our gods didn't eat the jungle berries or plants, they farmed for bread and proper greens that we associate with now. They taught agriculture and soon enough we were eating meat with our wine.

    Plant materials just wasn't good enough for the gods. They ate like kings in their world. It's not just a physical image we behold of our gods, it runs all through our body. ;)
     
  20. I'minmyunderwear

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    nice alternative to all the masturbate threads though.
     
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