If you do not believe in God, you must not have read the Bible

Yes, God wants us to get the most out of our lives. Why does that make him weak and needy?

 

But relaxxx, you have faith in your beliefs, contrary to the facts and logic of others. Your thread on your take on the reality of space, time, gravity and magnetism is tantamount to religion. You're spouting unproven, unfounded lies about the nature of reality that nobody can really prove or disprove. Indeed, if you were to go around trying to gain followers for your beliefs, I would oppose you, seeing you as no better than those theat mislead the religious herd.

There are many Christians who are well-respected conspiracy theorists, scientists and journalists, all approaching things with an untainted, unbiased view of the world and they often challenge the status quo and open people's minds. They do this safe in the knowledge that they are doing God's work.

Although I support a lot of what you say, it's important to not let the ego take control in these situations (and I'm not saying I'm perfect in that respect) as it is people's ego that leads to the sort of corruption and manipulation found in abundance in religion.

Christianity is an encyclopedia of older religions, there's a saying along those lines. And it's true, Christianity is a diluted version of much older religions with a lot of sun worship thrown in. Does that make its followers bad people? No, the actions (or lack of actions) of those people make them bad people. All inall, it is my view that we will eventually shed organised religion from our society as a matter of evolution.

 

All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.

 

Your idea that he wants to be worshiped. There is a saying, god is not mocked and also the world and everything in it belongs to god. How could god be left wanting? I can imagine that you would see god as being offended when I write the word god and it is not capitalized. Myself, I don't see god as anything but a law without opposite, not the subject of any temporal frailty.

 

Don't even go there, that was a THEORY I'm working on, nothing like religion and faith. I'm not claiming I was visited by a divine being and my word is law...

FUCK ME !!!

 

There are many who would want you to believe that but God has no need for your money.

 

Interesting how shuck and jive around the things I say so you don't have to answer my posts.

You said that the fact God wants, shows that he is weak and needy. I pointed out that God wants us to get the most out of life. You neatly sidestepped that issue and seem to now be saying that it is not that God wants, that makes him weak and needy but that he wants to be worshiped, that makes him weak and needy. I personally have never said that God wants to be worshiped but that God wants to be worshiped in a certain way. The reason is that by worshiping God in the way he has designated helps us to get the most out of our lives.

Wanting does not necessarily mean, as you imply, that something is lacking in the one who wants.

As for your saying I think God would be offended by your writing the word God with a small case "g", not at all, by using the small case "g" you aren't talking about almighty God Jehovah the creator of the universe, so why would he offended if you you aren't even talking about him?

 

Does a father want to be worshiped? In answer to your statement I am telling you god has no needs of any kind and knows only the child he created, not the one man imagines himself to be. Gods power has no opposite, least of all your vision of guilt.

No, I said your idea that god wants depicts a weak and needy god and inversely puts forward the grandiose vision that the created can be unlike the creator or that we can usurp the power of, or go against the will of god.

The measure we give is the measure we receive, god is a law without opposite. What is the most we can get from our lives?

I admit that the meaning of the word want does not serve your cause so you care to parse it in your favor. Unfortunately there is the fact of condition and a condition always has two parts. We never want or desire what we immediately posses. You might say you are alive and you want to be alive but what you want is not the life you already have but more life or the continuance of life as you know.
want
1. desire something: to feel a need or desire for something
We want a new car.
2. wish something done: to desire to do something or that something be done
I don't want you being late.
He wants his steak well done.
3. miss something: to feel the lack of something
After a week on the road, I want my own bed.
4. wish somebody to be present: to wish to see or speak to somebody
He's wanted on the phone.
Someone wants you at the door.
5. seek somebody as crime suspect: to seek somebody in connection with a crime (usually passive)
wanted for two felonies
6. need something: to have a need for something (informal)
What that kid wants is some discipline!
The closets want cleaning.
7. desire somebody sexually: to feel sexual desire for somebody (informal)
n (plural wants)
1. need: something that somebody desires or needs (usually used in the plural)
All your wants can be easily supplied.
2. lack of something: an absence or scarcity of something
no want of snow for the skiers this winter
If we fail, it won't be for want of trying.
3. poverty: the state of being poor
Freedom from want is a fundamental human right.

[12th century. < Old Norse vanta "be lacking" < Germanic, "lacking"]

Talk about shucking and jivin folks. The answer is, I have a good imagination.

 

What you and your video are attacking is a literal interpretation of Genesis. Early in Christian history, some of the greatest theologians, like Origen and Saint Augustine, argued that Genesis isn't to be interpreted literally. I owe my faith to Genesis, but I've never interpreted it literally. Among other things, it describes the basic flaw in human nature: beings in Paradise who feel deprived because they don't have the #$%^&* forbidden fruit--be it an apple, a pear, a pineapple or a cumquat! And they want to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, not to acquire ethical knowledge for its own sake but because of the godlike power they think it will give them.

 

And all of this non-sense just to aviod answering the question:

 

^ and that non-sense just to avoid answering to any of his arguments.

 

all we need to do is to read the old testament, chapter after chapter of him having tantrums when people don't acknowledge him properly

get a dsmr and start looking . . .

 

the very hungry caterpillar defied all odds and in a moment of weakness, ate a leaf, felt better and became a beautiful butterfly

 

Contentment would be a great thing if we lived in a world worthy of contentment. I guess they couldn't showcase the flaws of man without exposing the flaws and contradictions of the creator of man? We do not live in paradise, it is a finite world of shifting continents, famine and immeasurable suffering. Mans desire to gain knowledge and improve our quality and survival of life is not a flaw. The story is not about our flaws or the inherent imperfections of God and all his designs. The overwhelming message here is simply to do what God tells you to, and don't even think about it. Heaven or paradise is held as a promise or reward for loyalty. This is of course a great tool for leaders who can use religion to control their people to do what they want, "it is what God wants". Of course it is. The true nature of the bible is so transparent!

 

Last time I checked, there weren't many Christians doing that, either. All I was saying is that perhaps, although you don't believe in any god or a soul or whatever, maybe your mindset is no better than those that you take pleasure in proving wrong. And in taking pleasure in proving them wrong, you're certainly no better than those faithful who are self-satisfied in their belief that they are right and the infidels are wrong. I know it's hard but why not see the good in the Christians? Why not see their teachings as metaphorical and actually good from a moral standpoint? Then perhaps you can teach them in the boundaries of their own faith and they will become better people for it.

But still, your BELIEFS take an awful lot of FAITH and, as far as I can see, have no basis in reality. Notice how defensive you got when I directly challenge your beliefs, denouncing them as false. That is how the Christians will react when you charge at them head on. For these people to understand you and embrace your ideals, you have to speak their language, be it logic, faith, morality or metaphors. People are not sheep, although I know that's hard to believe these days, they must be guided out through the gate in the fence, not herded and prodded into new pens. It actually seems like you would really benefit from the teachings of the major religions, just don't take them literally, eh?

 

and was damned for all eternity to bump into windows and have its wings pulled off by children.

Have fear, ye faithless.

 

Yep. It's a scary read.

 

LOL, I didn't DEFEND my THEORY at all!

I took offense to falsely being accused of ignorance (faith).

Get it right!

 

Faith is not nearly always ignorance... Damn you're ignorant: reminds me of certain kinds of christians. You both are stuck in your own interpretations of this book.

 

I do not deny the holy spirit friend. The holy spirit is not a past tense. The holy spirit is spirit, not a literary artifact, i.e. the bible. The fact that you cannot distinguish between the inanimate and the animate makes your grasp on reality
somewhat suspect. The fact that you believe the bible interprets itself makes your grasp on reality somewhat suspect.

What is it you find nonsensical, the demonstrable truth?