If you do not believe in God, you must not have read the Bible

What?

 

How so, other than the fact a mountain was mentioned? What are you saying the passage means?

Not sure how this is relevant, I never said I thought the resurrection of the dead was hyperbole. Are you sure you understood my post?

This seems to back my view up as opposed to yours - Jesus plainly explains what he means when pressed. No where does he say "My flesh and blood is the word" or "spiritual" or anything of the sort. This would have been quite simple to say, but her never did. He simply reiterates that his flesh and blood is food and drink. Twice.

Indeed, when they did not understand and said "How can he give us his flesh and blood to eat" he reiterates that his flesh and blood is true food and drink. This is not the speech of a man speaking in metaphors, but the speech of a man who is speaking plainly.

So you are saying that you think the current New Testament canon is incomplete or at the very least in error.

 

He imagined it all as a sword.

 

Is that your excuse?

Try rereading your posts but then you've never been able to understand your contradictory posts in the past.

All this and you still didn't answer why it seems that your spirit is your father and Jehovah God is not.

Duh but you fail to see is that that the Bible is a product of the Holy Spirit and is for our instruction. (2 Peter 1:21; 2 Timothy 3:16-17)

Since it seems you don't know Jesus or his father Jehovah, one would wonder where your spirit buddy came from. Because your spirit buddy disagrees with what God has had recorded in the Bible and in fact often disagrees with it self, I would doubt that it was sent to you by God.

No, the Bible is not a he, thus he does not dwell with you or in you.

As for the Bible being a spirit, no it is not but it is the truth.

 

True, you were not the only one but that does not make the accusation true and at the time my answer was pretty much the same.

Oh look another time that you didn't contradict yourself.

What? I can smile of my own accord and using smiley faces can also make me smile, the two are not now nor have they ever been mutually exclusive.

Okay I guess.

Okay I guess.

 

Thanks Duck, I'm having a good time.

 

My thinking is why would he mention a mountain being moved by asking it to? Part of the lord's prayer is to pray for the arrival of the kingdom. I believe this correlates to Daniel's vision.

No you didn't. I'm sorry. I think I understand your post but I was trying to make a point, but now I forgot what point I was making :blush5:

His disciples did not understand what he meant until appearing to them after the resurrection. He never said that it was actual bread but acceptance of the sacrifice that he would eventually make. In comparison, the manna kept people from dying physically, but the bread of Jesus prevents people from dying spiritually.

As I said, his disciples did not fully contemplate what he had meant until after the resurrection and appearing. Peter thought that he didn't have to die, for example. The full scope of the meaning of prophecy didn't hit them until everything was done, sort of speak.

Basically, Jesus is saying, if you do not take part in (believe) the sacrifice he made, you will not receive eternal life.

Both. God is keeping some secrets until a designated time so doctrine will remain incomplete for a while. But much of the confusion caused by apostasy is being cleared away. For example, Josiah discovered Moses' laws (after going missing from extreme neglect) during a time when Israel had committed spiritual fornication, so it's a prelude to what would happen with the Christian church.

 

I get it now, lol, thanks. I just don't know why he pretends to not know what I'm getting at though.

 

this thread needs to die for all our sins.

 

I believe that has already been taken care of without the help of this thread.

 

For what, your confusion?

I see you refuse to answer the question.

The reason it seems like it to you is because you have no sense of what is real, only what you believe should be, further you do not pay attention to what I say, only to how it doesn't compare to what you think should be. I never once ever used the term jehovah. The word is not in my vocabulary.

Not true, this has not been my witness and I have found the bible useful for instruction since I was 8 years old.

You should be aware that seeming is a matter of perception. Do not judge by appearances, but rather use right judgement. Like I said, you do not recognize your brother in christ and you would relegate the holy spirit itself to little more that a helper at best, yet you take offense that I am not in accordance with what you believe the bible says because it is the product of the holy spirit. Your doubt is the result of your confusion and the only thing missing from your view is what you have not given. The holy spirit will heal your perception if you allow for it.
You have not responded to my question, why would god withhold something from me that he gives to you, i.e., comprehension of the living word?

In that case the bible is neither god nor jesus, nor the holy spirit. These are animate, living, the bible is not. Nor is the bible the counselor that our father sends to us when we keep the sayings of christ.

There you have it waterbrother, we worship in spirit and in truth

 

this part of the story has always seemed both completely ridiculous to me, as well as it being an ethical foundation rife for exploitation

i'll die for [from] my own sins, thank you very much . . .

 

I know what you are getting at and I am not pretending I don't. I am reporting to you that those words that I spoke of in the bible do not penetrate anything for me or make important distinctions about the real world. The bible is useful for instruction. The living word is the word that penetrates. Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall remain. That does not mean that the book the bible will carry on.

As I pointed out to waterbrother the holy spirit reminds us of all christ has said and all that christ has said is not in the bible. I understand your enthusiasm for the interactive nature of scripture but scripture is not the spirit sent from god that dwells in us. It is the indwelling holy spirit, "that teaches all things", that gives insight to christ teaching. The bible does not interpret itself, spirit recognizes spirit and this happens in the reading of the bible as well as transcendent of it in all life. As far as my own enthusiasm for the bible, the bible that was given to me when I was age 10, has been my only physical possession that has endured the remaining 44 years of my life, but it is certainly useless without that life.

 

Okay I guess

Since you are pointing to something that is not there, I cannot see it. What is it you believe I said that is self contradictory?

Okay I guess

 

No no, the more atheists and lesbians the merrier. I am of the drinking and partying with tax collectors set.

 

In the ongoing discussion of what Jesus meant when he said; “Most truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, YOU have no life in yourselves. He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I shall resurrect him at the last day; for my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him."

I think the answer can be found in his later explanation to his disciples about what he was saying; "It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all. The sayings that I have spoken to YOU are spirit and are life."

Later Peter seems to confirm his understanding of this by saying; “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life"

As for what Jesus was saying in Matthew 26:26-28 when he said; “Take, eat; this is My body.” and “Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

The "is" is the Greek word e·stin which literally means "is" but can also carry the sense of signifying, importing, representing, so taking into consideration what Jesus said in explanation to his disciples in John, I would say that he was using the bread and wine to signify or represent his body and blood, rather than it actually being his body and blood.

 

Indeed. The consequences of sin is death, can be more meaningfully comprehended in a less superstitious idiom.

I am taught, anxiety is caused by the misapprehension of what is so, (miss the sign, sin)
Physical death is a fact of metabolic process. No seed bears fruit lest it dies and is born again.

 

thank you owb

 

Good treatment.
Where did you get the information on the greek word, do you speak greek?