If you do not believe in God, you must not have read the Bible

Thanks for the video but I'm unsure how that answers my question. Is the sword described an actual sword or something else?

 

And a very absurd and ridiculous question it was but if you just have to have an answer, then no, I am not God. I was merely pointing out that God's word the Bible disagrees with your answer, thus your answer is incorrect and not that I was God.

I'm glad that in this case you do not deny inspiration but with the way you phrase it you seem to be implying "the fix was in". The truth is that nothing was done just to fulfill prophecy but that prophecy predicted what would be done.

So you post something that is totally unintelligible and you're asked to explain it and "next post then" is the best you can do?

I understand it just fine, it's just not what Jesus was talking about.

And I asked you to go ask your good spirit buddy. So either you didn't do as I "asked" or your good spirit buddy doesn't teach all things. Which is it?

The problem is that you are the only one that doesn't seem to know they are false.

As for your good spirit buddy, it's no game, either he knows or he doesn't. Which is it? There is no innuendo or lightness on honest dealing here, just a straight forward question.

You see you have based your discussion in these forums on the fact you have a good spirit buddy that teaches you all things, so no matter other evidence is shown you to the contrary, your basic reply is that we should all bow to the wisdom of your good spirit. Well for one would like a little more information on what your good spirit knows and what he teaches before you ask me to bow down to him as you have.

 

i have read it many times and i just dont i want to i realy do but i just cant

 

What's it to you? Do you think it gets you off the hook?

Prove it.

Quite frankly no, I can't, they don't need reconciling. It is only because your good spirit buddy teaches you contradictory things that you even think these things need reconciling.

One, I already give you an example of how the Bible interprets itself several posts back in this very thread, Mr. never asks the same question twice.

As for "the direct contradictions these questions represent", I will repeat the answer I just gave. They are not contradictions and don't need reconciling. It is only because your good spirit buddy teaches you contradictory things that you even think these things need reconciling.

Well, I can see why it is difficult for you to arrive at a single absolutely authoritative interpretation but there are many who have found it fairly simple with a little prayer to Jehovah in the name of his only begotten son Jesus and the guidance of the requested Holy Spirit.

 

I would be happy to explain it to you, if you would be so kind as to us tell where these Scriptures can be found in the Bible.

 

This is not relevant to this discussion, since the Lord's Supper was not in front of 'the crowd'. Furthermore it is clearly being taken out of context since it is certain Jesus has said things that were not parables.


Other than that, Jesus let his disciples know when he would speak plainly, these are not one of those moments.

You've chosen a poor example. The example you choose is clearly a simile - "...if you have faith like a grain..."

simile=A simile is a figure of speech that directly compares two different things by employing the words "like", "as", or "than"

So obviously, no, he was not being literal because he said as much.

So we still have it that we he says 'Amen Amen', (and then in John 6 after he says Amen Amen, he then reiterates with 'Truly Truly') that he is not speaking in a parable. In John 6 and also the recounting of the Lord's Supper we have no allusion to any sort of parable or figure of speech. In fact, as I pointed out earlier, Christians for for 1500 years all accepted this interpretation, since the earliest times of Christianity. (Before there was even a 'New Testament' canon)

 

He never used a simile to describe the possibility of moving an entire mountain simply by telling it to do so that still doesn't mean he literally meant that it would do so. The simile itself is ascribed to faith being like a mustard seed and if their faith was like a mustard seed then they would be able to move mountains. Besides, if a person did not know that a mustard seed can grow into a tree strong enough to support a birds nest then the meaning of what he said may have been lost on them.

Aside from the Christians who believed such for 1500 years, there were many aside from that group that believed it that did not believe it (and were killed for such, might I add). Even if a million people believed that the moon was made out of string cheese it doesn't mean it actually is.

 

I see no reason to assume he was being metaphorical. Moving a mountain is no more absurd than bringing someone back from the dead.
Even so, in terms of his description of what faith was capable of, at most he is employing hyperbole, as opposed to an entirely different meaning via a parable, which seems to be the basis of your entire argument.

So we still have John 6 clearly being quite literal. It remains a passage where Jesus makes no allusion to parable, no allusion to hyperbole, simile, or metaphor. He says it once beginning with Amen Amen, and when murmuring begins he reiterates.

Actually what the early Christians believed is very relevant. When the New Testament canon was being decided by the early Church, the very basis by which they would decide books were inspired and which were not was on what they had believed through tradition - what was already believed at the time. The Christians who decided on the biblical canon at the Council of Carthage in 397 virtually all believed in the literal interpretation of the Lord's Supper and John 6, and naturally this played a large part in which Gospels and letters they would decide were the inspired word.

 

The video was in conjunction with the term measure, as in the measure you give is the measure you receive. The mental process of measuring causes the quantum collapse of waveforms. Jesus was adept, having been said to perform miracles. Perhaps you recall the saying, truly I say to you if you believe and do not doubt you can cause a mountain to pick itself up and throw itself into the sea?

It is not describing a sword at all but comparing the characteristics the word to a sword.

 

That is close

 

I feels GODS presence all around me, or that just could be the satin and lace..:Angel_anim:

 

It was a very absurd and ridiculous answer you gave.

But you insist that only you can decide what is true and what is false as far as "what the bible says". I ask you, who makes you the official arbitrator of what the bible says, what is meant and in what context.

It is at this juncture that your self denial begins and ends. It is at this juncture that you assume the proportion of the official and unerring spokesperson of what the bible says.

The bible is a book waterbrother. It neither agrees not disagrees.

That is your belief, but I am showing, it is exactly as stated, these things were done to fulfill prophesy. Now you put a restrictive spin on the appreciation of those words by suggesting it is written, "prophecy was fulfilled." You suggest this is so only by virtue of your belief about prophecy in general. There is no such belief written there. What is written is that things were done to fulfill prophecy. Now these are distinctly different statements, that is, yours and what is written in the bible.

Things were done, to fulfill prophecy, to make it happen. They knew they were doing it, as they were doing it. That is why it is recorded that way.
Now what you have done with that and why is plain to see.
Either way, the fix was in, was it not? If prophecy must come true as you believe, then the fix is just as in.

I gave the answer it's own post. Read my next post from the one you were reading then.

Then what?

So you refuse, I see.

The problem is, you are the only one saying they are false.

I see you refuse to answer the question.

No, I teach as I am taught by the holy spirit in this moment. Not, "good spirit buddy". I would point out to you that the bible is not the end of prophecy.

I never asked anyone ever to bow down to the wisdom of my good spirit.
Perhaps that misconception is why you act so strangely toward me. I have told you to have salt in yourself. I don't know what you mean by my basic reply.

I suggested as I did, not to bow down to begin with or ever, but to ask because you are trying to assess the spirit by reading the book but the spirit is not in the book. The holy spirit is in living beings. If you have a question of authority then it seems you would ask the authority, that is the holy spirit.

You do not recognize the holy spirit in living beings, but if you would allow for it you would. The holy spirit is not an occasional interloper unless you confine it to that role. The holy spirit comes to dwell in you and be your guide, speaking only as loudly as we are willing to listen, (love does not seek it's own).

I have been offering the things the holy spirit teaches me. You sometimes reply, "you sure like to make it up as you go along." Well I certainly cannot offer what I am taught before I am taught. What more do you want to know?

 

What hook is that dear man? I didn't inquire about your hope until you offered it.

Nah

It is because the holy spirit is a consistent teacher that it exposes the contradictions in what you believe, not in what is written, but in what you believe about what is written.

It is not my purpose to come up with a single absolutely authoritative interpretation of the bible. I have said that I am a disciple of christ, and I teach as I am taught by the holy spirit, and as I teach, I learn.

To come up with a single absolutely authoritative interpretation is, I guess for simpletons. The holy spirit teaches what our choices are in life.

 

On everyone alike. A house of prayer for all natures.

 

But i am belive in god and i must read the bible and other books.

 

I explained that I am not engaged in this conversation for the purposes of changing waterbrother but as a teaching device in general. The juxtapositions that we present give the opportunity to vividly illumine principle.

You haven't learned then? Where is it that you would go? What does this have to do with the thread? I don't understand what it is to you. You could easily pass this whole conversation right on by. Your mind is yours alone to direct.

 

This author has the old book for non-believers:

www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/d/richard-dawkins/selfish-gene.htm

and he never minds controversy (I guess in the name of respectful attitudes to the believers) by reading a little of the bible as well.

Others believed that reading the Koran instead can substitute for all this heresy.

 

This is true, but my fathers house is meant for all natures.

 

One religion; many philosophies. There is the one Philosophy for the Absolute Knowledge. And that's heresy too; oh well; can't win them all.

 

Simply, in terms of the absolute everything else is an abstraction. Nothing real can be threatened. I desire mercy not sacrifice is the antecedent to tempering with guilt . Payment was never required for the gift of life but you can use it wisely or not.

Take the "justice" system. Neither fortress of law enforcement nor prison for the perpetrator has kept anyone safe. It is the wrong solution for the question, how do we restore our good self. The verdict that absolves guilt, is not guilty. If there is no guilt where we thought there was then understanding is in order because our verdicts are damming.

All is potential, (with god all things are possible). How many times do we forgive, 7 times 70.

That is we can't win them all because we can't loose.