If Obamacare was really as bad as cons say...

If it was really as bad as the cons try to make everyone believe it is, then the GOP would just be letting it go through so they could say "I told you so". Then the dems would be kicked out of office next year and the cons would take over the government. But we all know that it's going to expose the cons as frauds and anti-American when it goes through. That's why they are so desperate right now. And even most cons know this is their Waterloo. They are going to fail as bad as Napoleon. The really sad part is, they're trying to take the country down with them.

 

Barney Frank called. He's been looking for you.

 

Maybe it's time for a 'Psychotic Observations' sub-forum?

 

What baffles me is that the idea of healthcare mandates came from the Republican party position on the healthcare issue from the 1980's, in opposition to what Hillary Clinton's healthcare proposal back in those days...

@rj you really should not personally attack people for not supporting Obamacare. If they're against explain what they don't know about it. Be constructive to the debate we are all here to learn and discuss AND debate afterall.

 

Who did Rj personally attack?

 

I cannot understand the thumbs down for the OP. Is it due to the content? Can't be, because obviously universal health care does work for other countries and there has not been any evidence to show that it cannot work for 'Murica.

Therefore, the thumbs down is in relation to the post belong to the poster, rather than the content itself. And this site wonders why it cannot maintain new members.

 

Dude: it "went through" about four years ago.....

 

Obamacare is going to be great. From what I know about it, it will get so many Americans covered, and they won't be able to be taken off coverage for things like, you know, them actually getting sick.

 

Jon Stewart made a great point the other night on the Daily Show, about Senator Cruz using GREEN EGGS AND HAM to condemn Obamacare. Green eggs and ham being a book about a jerk that hates something he's never tried, and then when he finally tries it, he admits it's pretty good stuff.
Jon also made a point about Cruz saying that insurance premiums have gone up 165% since Obamacare took effect, WHICH IT DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL NEXT WEEK. Moron cons are so easy to make fun of.

 

Mj premiums went up a few months ago in anticipation.

 

Everyone knew that health care premiums would go up whether or not Obamacare passed. Obamacare will tend to keep the increases lower than they would have been without it. That was pretty much the whole idea. The deficit would have exploded without it.

So, it is extremely dishonest for conservatives to jump on every report of increased premiums as proof that Obamacare isn't working. But they have been lying about it ever since it was first proposed.

 

"Everyone knew it", but just couldn't prove it. But, hey, we can't let that stop "progress". The whole idea of Obamacare was to make Americans even more dependent on their "friend" and "protector" the federal government.

Yes, lies have surrounded this mess ever since it war proposed. Republicans have lied about it, as have the Democrats who proposed it and supported it, to include POTUS. The whole fucking thing is one big lie.

Right now I am taking the stance of Henninger; let it fail: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304526204579097443230322758.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion

 

Are you saying that you didn't think premiums were heading upwards at a steep clip? That seems an odd thing to deny.

 

Mine certainly weren't (nor were those of many people I know), but they will be starting Oct. 1st. We have no way of really knowing how insurance rates would have progressed in the future. Still, we let the fear of the possibility of them going up to support the mess that is Obamacare.

 

It wasn't just the fear of the possibility. That is a misleading thing to say. Premiums for most people were increasing at several times the rate of inflation with no end in sight. And this was having a terrible effect on the national debt. I believe that's a fact and I will look it up for you if you doubt it.

 

So we address a supposed threat to our national debt, by adding to our national debt?

I'd be interested to see whatever you come up with.

 

This is from politifact.com (I can't vouch for them, but they are just quoting the CBO)

 

Facts are like kryponite to cons.

 

That is what they plan. But, honestly, how often have we seen anything coming out of Washington go according to plan?

So much of the funding for Obamacare comes at the expense of Medicare. According to the Medicare Trustees, if the proposed cuts go into effect 15% of Medicare part A providers would become unprofitable, thus rendering them unable to care for Medicare users by 2019. That percentage increases to 30% and 40% by 2030 and 2050, respectively. As the Medicare Trustees point out, "Under such circumstances, lawmakers might feel substantial pressure to override the productivity adjustments, much as they have done to prevent reductions in physician payment rates." If these are overridden, that will reduce a substantial amount of what is already supposed to be "paid for", thus adding to our debt even more.

So much of the "But repealing it would add to the deficit" relies on the fact that if it was repealed, the revenue 18 new taxes and penalties created with it would also go away. Therefore, it is not logical to assume the deficit would increase given that the very thing those taxes and penalties were expected to pay for would no longer need to be paid for.

 

What's your source for that? The Heritage Foundation?