If God loves us unconditionally, why does he kill us instead of curing us?

No he wasn't a Gnostic. He was a member of the Catholic Church, but at a time when dogma was still being thrashed out.

 

What's proper gnostic? Maybe look at it how we look at socialistic ideas and implementations vs. 6-eyeds idea of socialism There has never been an uniform gnostic belief system. If one has a certain amount of gnostic ideas they can be defined as a gnostic. If one had them but doesn't identify with it, but primarily with orthodox christianity instead then i would say no.

 

Origen was a critic of gnosticism as he saw it. He wrote against both gnostics and pagans.

 

Acknowledged. I was talking in general, not about Origen in particular. 'A proper gnostic' sounds like gnosticism is an uniform thing (even though Fuds maybe didn't mean it like that), but since it never was, definitions of what being a proper gnostic means exactly might differ

 

I get your point which is a good one that we're dealing with a diverse phenomenon in Gnostcism. I was only trying to clarify.

 

Notice how the Greatest still refuses to answer specific questions directed to him about the beliefs of his cult. Is he embarrassed by them? That would be understandable. Does he not understand them? Given his performance on these threads, that would also be plausible. Or is he just a troll pulling our chains by seeing how much of our time and energy he can drain on so many different threads by reciting the same nonsense?

 

I think it's funny how much you dislike him, Okiefreak. Pretty sure he's just a flash in the pan, and all of this religious talk is the same old shit that's been posted a million times.

 

I sent this email to ABC Australia recently. Their reply stated that it will take 4 weeks to investigate. It will be interesting, since I suspect that governments were involved in its demise. I will keep you posted. For security reason due to my work, I have starred out my full name on this copy.

Back in the early 70s. I watched a documentary simply called "Reincarnation".
It started with a group of people who had spent their entire lives and never left a remote Australian village.
A small number of them were put into a deep hypnotic state to recall past events of their carnation.
It was truly the most remarkable film that I have seen in the last 50 years. However, it was very disturbing, particularly the woman who relived her death in the German concentration camps.
One of the subjects had the origins of her recollections traced back to Suffolk in the UK. She was disturbed to find that the bedroom window in her house did not exist and neither did the mosaic floor in the barn that she drew during her hypnotic state. Intrigued by the accuracy of her descriptions of the location of the buildings and barn, archaeologists were called in and they discovered that her bedroom window did exist, but was filled in with matching stone in the 17th century. Excavation of the barn floor revealed the exact mosaic pattern that she had drawn and it was confirmed that the layers burying it had not been disturbed for more than 300 years.
Although this program would now be of great interest to the scientific community, it seems to have vanished off the face of the planet.
Their were numerous complaints when it was screened about the graphic nature of the distress suffered by the participants and a rumor followed that the woman taken back to the remains of the concentration camps never recovered and died a few months later, but I do not know if this was true.
Another rumor circulated a few months later, that the whole thing was a hoax. I find this almost impossible to believe
All that I remember about the origin of the film was the "ABC Television Australia" logo at the end.
I would strongly appreciate any information that you could provide on this film and how I can obtain a copy.

Kindest Regards.

Bill, (******* ***** MBKSTS retired)

 

I just don't know. I'm a bit perplexed myself. Part of me says a bored idiot with a gripe against Christianity - but I don't like to be overly harsh or judgemental. For all we know he could have some kind of other issues. Maybe had bad experiences in connection with some 'Christian' context.
That doesn't fully account for it though, only one side of it.

The ascended master thing is something that came to my attention in a peripheral way back in the 90's, but I wasn't at all interested and assumed it was one of the many 'new-age' type culty things that emerged in that decade. As far as I knew prior to these threads, Saint Germaine was known mainly as a composer of 2nd rate baroque music! The concept of ascension comes, as you are no doubt aware, from the Bible, a 'vile book' in G I am's view - Enoch and Jesus are said to have ascended. So there seems to me to be a contradiction right there.

Back to what I do know - I actually spent some time studying the Cathars and the Albigensian Crusade in some depth as a module in a history course I did many years ago , and at the time, I was both horrified and awed by what I learned. Personally I think their belief system was a bit too medieval to be of much use to people nowadays, but given the enormity of what they suffered, I think it's somehow disrespectful, and certainly distasteful to seek to appropriate them into some modern cult, or assert that one knows more than IS actually known about their beliefs. To use 'we' in reference to them - well, I just don't know.......

 

I generally dislike the practice of stirring shit based on misrepresentations of religious groups. Trolls bother me, too, because they clutter up discussions that could otherwise be meaningful. And proselytizing also bothers me, apart from the fact that it's supposed to be against Forum rules. The blitzkrieg attacks against Christianity, carpet bombing the Christian forum, and the advocacy of the I Am form of pseudo-Gnosticism seems like a negative form of proselytizing to me. Then there are the personal attacks,vituperation, and name calling against anybody daring to venture a view contrary to his. and the distortions of history and general lack of intellectual merit to the posts. Other than that, I have no problem with him.

 

As in all the other threads if there is no YouTube video then you won't get an answer.

 

You did not back up your claim to the Cathars that I requested on the gospel of John and ignore that the Cathars, for the reason you show, would have switched rather than burn if they did not believe as they did.

I have made many mistakes and it you want to get an ego boost out of saying I made one, take a bigger boost for making me admit to many.

Children must have their booster shots.

I am moving on so do as you like.

Regards
DL

 

Which follows Gnostic Christian thinking, but without a belief in a Satan or supernatural God.

It was just a speculation of the morals behind universalism, while recognizing that that law in heaven could never be the law on earth. There can be no such thing as --- as above, so below.

Regards
DL

 

Satan said we could be like Gods

 

True, and read just a bit further and you see God confirming that that is what knowledge brings after wisdom is gained.

Are you saying that you recognize Satan the way Jews do? As God's loyal opposition?

That is the way I see her.

Regards
DL

 

Buy not quite. There seems to have been another tree, the tree of life.; to prevent Adam from getting his mitts on that one, God set up cherubim guards "lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever". Is it true that Saint Germain attained eternal life? Sure seems to have been around for awhile. Do you believe that?

 

Who was the fruit of the tree of life intended for?

 

Those cherubs were ready to cut a bitch.

 

I did - I told you to read Andrew Philip Smith's book on the Cathars. If you can't handle reading, and can only cope with soundbite culture, as seems to be the case given your reliance on youtube, it's not my problem.

 

The Gnostics believed in God, and in the 'supernatural'. Origen's view as I pointed out, is derived from Neo-Platonism, not Gnosticism.