If God Is A Contradiction Then He Does Not Exist

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  1. thedope

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    Should more have said belief without adequate consideration of all principles involved leads to accusation. You need confirmation in order to believe.
     
  2. AiryFox

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    Then there should be no rational reason to believe in the existence of that which cannot be proven to exist.
     
  3. Asmodean

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    How so? Perhaps you read wrong: it's not in the first place about evidence :p

    If it is for a person in the first place about the evidence then, for those persons, it seems rational to abandon such beliefs. But obviously, faith is not about proof for the people who actually have it. Nor does it has to clash with rationality by default (because a contradiction does not have to mean conflict).
     
  4. AiryFox

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    I can delude myself into having personal confirmation that Santa Clause is more than a seemingly innocent fairy tale, but believing it does not make it real.
     
  5. AiryFox

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    What is so hard about it to understand?

    If there is no evidence, there is no logical reason to believe it exists.

    I know faith is not about evidence. That is a given to any rational individual. What should also be understood is that there is no rational basis for preferring the lie over the truth.
     
  6. Asmodean

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    There are many truths, having both faith and rationality may seem like a contradiction but it does not mean there's got to be any kind of conflict between them or a problematic inconsistency by default at all.

    If you know faith is not about evidence, why do you always counter it by saying it lacks evidence?
     
  7. thedope

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    You confuse to assert or affirm with confirmation and delusion with reason.
     
  8. AiryFox

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    There is only the truth that can be verified through actual knowledge and experimentation whereby repeatable results are observed. Religion, theism, faith, are based on pseudo-knowledge.

    There is no real truth in anything related to theism. And that is the truth.
     
  9. thedope

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    I'll believe that when I see it.
     
  10. AiryFox

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    Word salad.
     
  11. thedope

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    English. No such thing as word salad.
     
  12. Asmodean

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    There are the facts and there are the perspectives that are derived from them. There can be different perspectives that all fit the facts. In that way I mean there are many truths. Having faith in a deity that can not be proven (which should not be the primarily issue with faith anyway) does not have to cause conflict with truth or reality by default at all.
     
  13. AiryFox

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    I respectfully disagree. :sunny:
     
  14. Anaximenes

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    If God is a contradiction... then there are at least two kinds of individualism to contend about God about. There is the individualism reacting to conformity inside one person who does not conform, OR there is the individualism which God allows to the unique member of the collective which is proven that he ethically masters His Experience of life over. No one knew as everybody knows about the war and peace and politics. Is that not the truth about individualists in the Had and Been national spirit? Having is Being only for the myth of national refusal to know who the guilty sinners of the country were,
     
  15. Asmodean

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    You probably come across rational people having such faith often enough, but we don't hear them about it as much as the fundies or the agitating atheists about their more rigorous convictions.

    But if we must disagree, I prefer to do it respectfully as well :2thumbsup:
     
  16. AiryFox

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    I see the point you were attempting to make. Still, faith is irrational. They may be rational in every other aspects of their lives, but their faith itself is irrational because it does not and cannot meld properly with the reality they experience otherwise.
     
  17. thedope

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    Is it irrational to believe the sun will rise tomorrow? Faith is necessary for the formation of perception or perceptional continuity.

    When you are driving you must have a level of faith that the other drivers on the road are going to do what they are supposed to otherwise we would not have confidence enough to consider driving to be reasonably safe.
     
  18. AiryFox

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    You honestly cannot think past the faith is good speil, can you?

    There is a difference between religious faith and secular faith. I have already logically referred to this before, yet you ignore it for your silly rebuttals that could not withstand a proper debate.
     
  19. Sleeping Caterpillar

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    I fail to see how a shitty animation by darkmatter on youtube could be used to prove or disprove god if I am to be frank
     
  20. AiryFox

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    Nice to meet you, Frank.
     

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