If God Is A Contradiction Then He Does Not Exist

Are you crazy? I feed people, I don't resent them for their conduct. If I did boy, you could expect scorched earth from me.
My life is a series of sensations some of which I may call pleasant and some not so. I can say I am unconcerned with your hysteria as there is enough trouble to attend to in a day without beating the drum for conflict.

Passion means suffering. Real problems exist? Keep looking for excuses to suffer, I don't need them, the luxuries of your complaints are only so because you think today is not your day to die.

Where does peace exist in you or any where in the world that you can say that? More the evidence is no fortress nor prison has in fact kept us safe.

Everything arises in conception and you do not complain for what the world is doing to you but for what you have done to it.

 

I think I'm with Airy Fox on this one. I don't know what religious orientation you're coming from, but the attitudes you're expressing remind me of my Buddhist friends--full of compassion, but unwilling to take action against or even speak ill of, aggressors. I think I remember a discussion in which you chewed me out for speaking ill of Hitler. I'm not saying you're a Buddhist, and I know you often speak in terms of Christian concepts, especially "judge not..." I'm also not talking about all Buddhists, because the monks in South Vietnam during the sixties and in Myanmar more recently put their lives on the line to protest unjust regimes. But my Buddhist friends think it's foolish to be concerned about politics, since government policy is such a transitory thing and it's all relative, who's to say what policies are right and wrong. Yet it has real impact on the lives of real people, and if we stand by as compassionate onlookers, we effectively condone the evil. I think it's especially important for me as a Christian to take a stand against harmful actions done in the name of religion, since otherwise we appear to be complicit in injustice.
Some politicians and televangelists on the religious right seem to me to be Latter Day Pharisees meeting Jesus' description of false prophets, pushing policies that yield bitter fruit. I try not to judge them as people, only God can do that, but I think we must judge their actions and protect their victims. Turning the other cheek doesn't mean turning the victims' cheeks!

 

My perspective isn't religious, at least not one that I know of and devoid of moral argument as I don't need one to organize my investments in life. Naturally devoted my protections extend naturally to those things I call mine or my own and I deny no one a cup of water. I am sincere. Our being is one of creature hood and the life of creature is prime directed to preserve and extend. On a Newtonian scale this is called inertia. This is the only living motive there is and there is no evil lurking in the hearts of men only love or the desperate call for it.

Whenever I suggest my finding for the innocence of men I invariably hear the rabble where atheist and theist join forces to insist, give us Barabbas! You don't know what you are doing, don't understand the power of creation, don't understand your complicity in the world you see. Everything arises in conception, especially your reasonable responses to the world.
To have a future different from the past we make a different choice in the present. Don't judge by appearances nor be concerned by how you might appear to others or how you look standing on the street corner.

Peace is not a small accomplishment and gives rest to a torn and weary world and to have and to be are the same. The only effort before us is to cleanse the lens of perception knowing the measure you give is the measured you receive and even the lion lays down with the lamb. Unless of course you believe you are being assaulted by the devil in which case, Lucy you got some splanin to tdoo

 

In considering the problems in the world, I'm inclined to believe that beating up on wrong-doers (like thedope ) or putting them in cages will solve nothing, and in fact, will only postpone at-one-ment. It seems that trial-and-error-and-correction is evolution in progress. It's a process. Maybe the only way we're sure about anything is through our continued failures and the eventual decision to end the painful effects of our flawed causes.

But I really don't know how to fix anything because not so deep down I am really flawed and in need of correction.

 

Such flaws as well as the blemishlessness of attraction are in fact not very deep and easily unraveled when their lack of substance is appreciated. Someone loves you just the way you are. Love as you have known love, not as you have expected it to be.

 

Or when their lack of substance is unappreciated. But I just let hate into the picture with the simple addition of two letters, didn't I?

 

I guess that progress is when you desire what's good instead of hating what's inadequate.

EDIT: not progress, but growth.

 

thedope:

I love to speak plainly. You will always find a convolution about your belief in the non-physical.

Your gratitude sounds contrived from where I'm standing. A thankless observation, but an observation in any case.

thedope to Okiefreak:

Ah, thedope, human antibody! He has recognized there is no devil! He is to be commended for this achievement, which is in no way diminished by his failure to recognize a common god. lol

thedope to AiryFox:

lol! Concerned just enough to tell him so. I find it hysterical you insist your god exists for us. It mustn't be good enough for you. It must never have been. :-D

Again, thedope to AiryFox:

LOL! Should I laugh?! Why not? Passion doesn't mean suffering. Show us a passion for suffering that you believe in.

 

Why did you abandon your love? What non-physical

I didn't speak it like that. Your stance it seems is thankless. I am as I am created and create as I am created and I am thankful for this because it is nothing to brag about and I must do something with my joy of recognition.

Nothing to brag about because the accolades pour in and I find I am all these things to all these people but taken together I am non in particular.
God is that which we invoke. Perhaps you failed to recognize what I said.

Do you find it hysterical that I would seek agreement in terms so we could have a meaningful discussion instead of speaking past each other in echoing answer to our own past and private associations?
What I insist is that our words represent the embodied conjugations of our common experience and to argue yeah or nay requires conception of an object to affirm or deny. Even you would say that if god is a contradiction then it exists as contradiction which positions us again at abstraction. Then again your penchant for contradiction and self denial could make that seem less than meaningful to you.

Contradiction is the god of laughter.
If you recognize yes and no in the same place then you can't help yourself...

passion,
from Late Latin passiō suffering, submission, derivative of Latin passus, past participle of patī to suffer.

...but to laugh at suffering.

 

Ahh...the misunderstanding of the meaning of negation.

What is not real does not exist.

Creation is a law without opposite. Love is what you are and doubt about that is a barrier to the perception of it but you cannot divorce yourself from essential devotion. The recognition of singular motive in all humankind abrogates the need for arbitrary moral measurement and affects your reasonable responses to human behavior. If you find evil in your heart or the hearts of others then murder becomes a reasonable option and the recipe an eye for an eye creates blindness.

Human growth requires food, water, shelter, and loving support to thrive and without these things the fittest simply scramble to survive.

 

i have little interest in any of those issues! issues! - scuse me while i
sneeze . i have in this discussion been concerned with the abusive and
tactical language of attack dogs . perhaps you have had a quickening
and now approve of it as you realize the idyllic it serves is your own .

the attack dog may smile for you , pleased that you have proven
a religious person is unintelligent . religious right or left is not a distinc-
tion . the mind toward god is to be abolished . the facts of reality will
be dictated by humanistic authority until the supreme Alien arrives .

 

the attack dog is a hot dog. It sizzles when it pisses.
but when the quality of mercy isn't strained it becomes so lumpy even chicken gravy won't be of much help.
really, authority is what the angels make it.
the Alien mother ship crashed on Venus, and the crew is still drinking the cool aid.
that's why you're sneezing. You're allergic to them.

portia needs her pound of flesh
to deal with the alien dogs.
sneezy is on the job,
and thanks to him we have to deal with the attack.
but when they arrive we'll only have
lumpy spaghetti for them.
the brown acid is getting worse.
real rotgut.

 

yep , you're back on topic . you illustrate a contradiction once swallowed will be
puked up in pieces that may more distinctly be examined .

lumpy ? you say that twice . I suppose it refers to something important -

 

What contradiction? There are two lumps. One in my throat and one in my heart for my family. Peace and rainbows, brother.

 

You have progressed then? Grown? Or is the abstract still something you believe not to be physical? God, your greatest abstraction, will not hide you in your belief, nor will you become it in knowing yourself.

You think you can't thank everyone, so you thank no-one. I don't mind. My stance is a welcoming one. It is not found outside the dance.

To think you're nothing in particular is a funny conceit, provided you find it funny. Not everyone invokes god, and your thinking everyone does seems to bother you to the extent you say "the lens needs cleansed" lol
I'm not one who'd clean your clock, old timer, but I know how to slay with laughter. :-D

As I've just said in the "Does Gods exist" thread, loving our terms is enough. Your seeking agreement in them is a neediness I don't possess and cannot help you with. Your associations may be private, mine are only personal. We have god in common only as conception, and it is not one I entertain for myself, but for those who would entertain it with me. Your attempt to foist it upon the populace at large whilst pretending it's beyond the individual is an importunity I can have no hand in. It is, in your words, less than meaningful to me.

I've found I can only laugh at my own suffering, and then only when I can see my way clear of it. This failing of mine does not mean there is a tragedy above and beyond laughter. Passion is involvement, true, a form of submission. But I have to ask again since you are trying to confine its definition to suffering, where is your belief in a passion for suffering?

 

Can you give and example of someone not invoking good? This will probably be funny, I have no time to loose only to spend.

I understand your invocation is god to you and you cannot usurp the power of god or that which you invoke, but you can change your mind.

Like yourself for example. I find you hilarious on the subject of god and stingy on the subject of self.

No one's suffering is special. Your own is no different than any other. The funny thing is that life involves a series of sensations some of which we may call pleasant and some not so and we don't forego the promise of pleasant for the fact of the unpleasant. We've got yes and no in the same place and that is the joke or reason for laughter about the human proportion. Ask a man to relinquish his suffering and he will call on his passion to keep it.

as below...

 

ah , so that's what fancy magic can do in a twinkle . Q

 

example of not invoking? you've GOT to be kidding. its the invoking of ANYTHING that is far and away the exception. 99.99999% of EVERYTHING is "an example of not invoking 'god' (or anything else)."

you're simply making no logical sense here at all.

 

99.99999% of everything is not our concern.
invoke; from latin to call for,.

to cite or appeal to (someone or something) as an authority for an action or in support of an argument. The only god sense we have is that which we invoke. The only good sense we have is that which we invoke. Your objection to what I am saying is proof in point. You object to my saying as being not right or unintelligible and that is the foundation for your argument against, your sense of right proportion. We always choose with a guide or sense of right proportion and if we don't have one we are at a loss. For example using the 99.99999% proportion of everything that does not concern us or is beyond our ability to perceive as a basis for comprehension has it's obvious drawbacks in being able to apprehend the proportions I am speaking of which are those of human experience.

 

thedope:

Terms. Let's take the game of russian roulette as example, since self-denial is a 'hot' topic for you. :-D I was going to say the death sentence, or mass genocide, but let's complicate the thing with a potentially harmless thrill. lol After all, asking you why good is what it may be without being god is like asking you why you don't want god to be a person.

No, my invocation is just that, my invocation. Your definition of god alone as good is your own.

I share my thoughts. We write together. If you'd like my tax file number and a copy of my birth certificate, they too can be provided.

My not being able to laugh at all tragedy is a failing to me, regardless of it being no-ones fault. To laugh the world into its whole health is something I can't do alone. I don't expect you to understand, since you believe "health is also sickness." Perhaps you will come to! My hope is not comatose.