If God Is A Contradiction Then He Does Not Exist

Yes, indeed. Reagan wrong; G.W., too! About many things!

 

I am not advocating for forceful elimination. Would I enjoy seeing the end of religion and theism? Absolutely. However, it must disappear on its own terms, through a universal intellectual understanding that religion and theism is an unnecessary hindrance upon our society.

Indeed. :sunny:

Yes, religious people whose religions are distinct causes as to why they act as immorally as they do.

 

Yes it is and is being widely dispersed . It was newsworthy the other
day when a newspaper reporter was fired for seriously criticizing it in
his personal blog .

In this forum it is being examined .

 

No, it is not.

Religious beliefs are not above reproach.

 

Nevertheless, by blaming Quakers for 911, you stir up strong visceral emotions that enflame hatred. History shows that the consequences are often tragic.

I hope you realize that the passage you quoted out of context was part of a description of distorted beliefs that lead to hatred. Do you really want to smile about that?

Heil Hitler!

 

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To reproach is to express disapproval or disappointment in someone or something. Not exactly a positive expression and I wonder who laid it on you to contribute your personal vendetta in that way to the fabric of our society?

 

I agree. Some of them are quite toxic. Religion can be a mind-crippling disease, but it doesn't have to be. I welcome and encourage criticism of religion if it is thoughtful, balanced and fact-based. It's the mindless rants, propaganda blitzes and indiscriminate attacks I object to. The Quakers weren't responsible for 911. Neither was Mother Teresa.

 

No such mind crippling disease exists. The mind is powerful and blind belief is a bad lesson in apprehension apprehended to perfection. The mind isn't sick and the power to change our mind is the only remedy we have for error. Thoughts are an energy form and they create or propagate in like kind to the extent they are cultivated. The expression of displeasure or disappointment is a debilitating habit. If a thing is found truly wanting curse it once and forever forget it not be picked up or cultivated again. What you resist persists, what you truly discard withers for want of attention. If you are going to make a mistake don't make it twice. If putting your hand on the burning burner of a stove burns, stop putting your hand there. The results are likely to be the same each time.

 

I disagree. People who have the bad luck to be born into repressive religions that discourage critical thought, generate unwarranted guilt, discourage education, and practice intensive indoctrination are under assault. Some people make it out of such environments with their minds intact, a testimony to their strength of character. Most atheists I know fall into that category. But in my experience many of those that don't escape are adversely affected. Toxic Faith by Arterburn and Felton, and The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse by Johnson and Van Voderen deal with this subject from the perspective of Evangelical Christians. I don't think it's healthy to tell any adolescent that masturbation is sinful, or to tell a gay kid that homosexuality is an abomination. Some churches instill a world view in their members that is downright medieval, with witches and demons under the bed, six day creations, talking snakes and jackasses, and ten thousand year earths. I've had some surreal discussions with such folks in the Christian Sanctuary. It scares me that some of these attitudes show up on opinion polls of the American electorate. According to a Gallup Poll in 2012, forty-six percent of Americans are young earth creationists. And they vote! One of our Oklahoma Senators has written a book in which he denies climate change because God controls the weather. Scary stuff.

 

You don't want god to be a person because god isn't?

Nothing is apart from me, but all I claim for myself is me. The lot. My body, my love, laughter, sorrow, the works.

Everyone is their self, it is true, but wanting it so is not proof against seeing it! To think so is sickness. You can get better, darth. :-D Your love of the individual is not dead. Somewhere, you do love yourself. We create ourselves. Your lie is betrayed.

You can't help yourself! lol You suggest god is the authority we invoke, and not the self!

I don't claim your lie as mine. I don't claim it is anything beyond a lie. Your childish rebuttal that it is truth I fail to respect doesn't wash. If there are suds in your eyes, cry, but not that I put them there.

Your being equal to yourself does not make you my equal, but your desire to be so could. Okiefreak considers our correspondence an oracular battle. lol The dogmatic has no dominion if you lean wholly towards reason.

And it's bullshit either way.

So I am weird. It could be worse! All our words support us if we allow them to. The only reason your word is not gospel is because you haven't understood that in the beginning is the deed! lol

 

they vote for history ? ? why geT hysterical about that ? voting
is irrelevant drama , a contradiction of acceptance . the reality
of existence is wild in your bones .

 

Your comment is a bit cryptic, so I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. But in November the Republican Party stands a good chance of taking back the U.S. Senate, giving it control of both houses of our government. The religious right is its base. Whether or not we regard this as an "irrelevant drama" is somewhat subjective, but it is quite relevant to such matters as confirmation of federal judges who vote on issues relating to gay rights, abortion, and civil rights and liberties, such as separation of church and state. In my state, both houses of the legislature and the governorship are in the hands of Republicans of religious right persuasion, so we have laws prohibiting gay marriage and gay adoptions, imposing restrictions on a woman's right to an abortion, placing the Ten Commandments in public places, and periodic assaults on the teaching of evolution in public schools. If that's irrelevant to you, I guess you should stay home on election day. I agree that these matters may be blips on the screen of history, and the wildness of existence is the most important thing, but matters of rights, liberties, and justice aren't chopped liver.

 

By all means, let fear be your guide to understanding! We always choose with a guide. We would never be casting lots for the garments of peoples lives if we had not first crucified them however.

Fact, harm has no body that you can scapegoat.

Storms are caused by uneven heating or variable rates of metabolic investment. You cannot serve two masters for you will love the one and despise the other. The storms in our consciousness reflect the storms in the atmosphere and vice versa.

A lie can never be a verity and the truth does not instill fear.

 

Yeah you could be in convulsions instead of convoluted.
Thank god for abstractions.

 

Your problem is that you close your eyes to the state in which the world exists for your own erroneous concept of deluded, selfish inner happiness. Happiness is more perception than reality, and it is absolutely unhealthy to ignore real problems for the sake of an uncomfortable lie. Real problems exists. No amount of shutting one's eyes or mind to the problems will make them go away in reality.

Those who ignore the horrible state of the world only further engender the problems that exists.

 

It seems that depends on the problem. If you regard people with religious/spiritual faith in a deity as problematic on itself you may have a problem but those people themselves may have not (except that you project one onto them ). I think you only have a point when you'd talk about certain fundamentalists and other extremists.
But when you talk about people with religious faith in a deity in general and simplify reality by proclaiming they are all problematic and adding to the horrible state of the world just because of such faith you seem to be part of the problem.
Yes Airy, that IS what you are doing: simplifying the problem, insisting it is a matter of faith in general and attributing the actions and thoughts of some onto many so you can make sense of it all and maybe convince yourself how we could solve all this shit. Unfortunately (although not really, I like it), reality is much less simple and much more full of nuances than how you insist to portray it.

 

Yeah, but what if you have a segment of the population that believes in the prophesy of a holy book. And what if part of that prophesy involves wars and rumors of wars, and nation against nation, and brother against brother, and the rise of the antichrist, etc. etc.? And what if the people who believe in the truth of this holy book allow the planetary situation to deteriorate because, on a subconscious level, they desire to have those prophesies fulfilled in order to validate their beliefs?

 

But Okie----girls won't get pregnant if it is a bona fide rape. Surely the Republicans aren't wrong on this. ...right? ...I mean, they use science right?

Oh my God!!! what if I have been doing it wrong this whole time?!!!!