If Being Compassionate Towards Mens Suffering Could Prevent Violence Would You

I'm a white female who has a difficult time referring to herself as a woman. I've not been privileged in my lifetime. I've had to fight, to the point of war, for my SELF. At no point in my childhood did I dream of growing up to be a fighter, a warrior. It diminishes and destroys my femininity, cultivates a masculinity in me - hardness - and I'm not happy about it. I usually refer to myself as a female. It feels awkward for me to call myself a woman.

As for the rights of choice between males and females .. heh. I was 14 years old when I conceived my first child, my son. His father was 18 years old. I fought for him. Most people wanted him to be charged with statutory rape and they pressured me to have an abortion. ALL of those people were wrong. I fought for him and for me and for my son. I even defended him in his choice to not be in our son's life. I fully respected his choice, but not many people fully respected mine. I'm thrilled that my now adult son and his father have developed a relationship, it's like a dream come true for me.

Well, I'm not a member of the majority in any way, shape or form. So I don't mean to take away from what you say. I just don't consider myself to be a privileged white ... human being.

 

I did not say that I disagree with what you wrote, I said that I'm not agreeing, because I didn't read it.

That said, I disagree strongly with it's implications, and I think I would probably find many faults with it if I read it. I think the title is telling enough - you asked if being compassionate towards the suffering of men could help women, THEN would you feel compassion towards men? Would that be enough for it to be worth having compassion for men? Egalitarian or otherwise, you've internalized the poison of feminism, if you're not phrasing it to sound that way on purpose.

 

I never associated any sex with human suffering....Humans all suffer on some levels......
I am compassionate to it all.

 

i know this is getting off-topic

well, if you live in the US and you're "white," you actually are a member of the majority. and whether you recognize it or not, you most likely have experienced (even to a tiny degree) white privilege. it pretty much just means that if you were a woman of color in similar circumstances, the odds would have been even MORE stacked against you.

of course this doesn't have to be true for every single individual. but statistically, and as a whole, i do believe that white privilege exists.


to get back on topic, with a comment directed at no one in particular:
male privilege exists as well. if you can't admit that..then you're a little bitch

 

I know what you mean but my experience is different to begin with. I grew up in diversity (Boston) so I've always known "the melting pot". My neighbors were Puerto Rican, my first "boyfriend" was black, we had Indian kids at school, my other neighbors were Jewish .. we had it all. It's really all I've ever known. My eyes see diversity.

 

^^^and whether you noticed it or not, you had slight advantages over people of different races because of institutionalized racism.
i happen to be a white male just so you know.

just because we might benefit from "white privilege" doesn't mean we are guilty of racism.
but if you can't recognize white privilege, then you're kinda part of the problem.

 

Oh, so now we call them privileges when questioned. A significant backpedaling from Women's Rights. lol


Read me well. Women are allowed to have hook-ups with who they want, but god forbid if they do AND if they don't! They might earn the "slut" or "prude/bitch" badge along the way.


[/QUOTE]Yes, there will always be this double standard. Because it's incredibly easy for a female to get laid. Count that as a blessing. Those are only words. Nobody can possibly expect to go through life without being name-called. Both genders face lots of seriously unfair double standards. There's plenty of societal disadvantages and advantages for being either gender. is just a word Nobody really cares who you sleep around with. Just keep that info to yourself.

The pay gap has been debunked a million times over. The propagandists who keep up this myth alive always fail to factor in the variables of the lifestyle choices made by women and men. Men typically pick more dangerous, physical labor, and higher paying jobs. Plus they work an average of 9% more hours than women do anally. Women tend to work safer jobs that have less safety risks. They also take more time off for pregnancies and child rearing. When you factor all those variables in, the pay gap vanishes

And also, the Human Resources and Payroll industries for most companies are a 70% women employment. They're in charge of who gets hired. So even if the pay gap existed, and if it's harder for an overqualified woman to get hired over an under-qualified man, why would these HR women be so sexist against their own gender?

The sexual harassment policies in work and schools are very strict. Society has pretty much gotten to the point where pick-up-lines, and casual flirting is considered "creeping." Cat calls, and checking out a woman is considered sexual assault. At the college I attended, the policy was that if alcohol just so much as touched a girl's lips, the consensual sex became rape. Most respectful men don't wanna be creeps, sexists, or rapists.

Read Christine Sommers' book "War On Boys." Organizations and "men" aren't interested because it's politically incorrect to focus on advancing males only. You seem to believe colleges and institutions focusing only on male academic effort, because males used to outnumber females in the 50s and 60s, and pretend like it's still a problem. Boys are more likely to drop out of highschool. My college was 60% girls. I have no problem with advancing women and girls in society, just as long as they keep it consistent with everyone else in a non-discriminatory way.



This is the problem with feminism. It's based all on emotions and not logic. It poisons women into believing that they're all victims of male authority. They attribute every woman's personal success as feminism, and every woman's personal failure as patriarchy.

I'm a feminist by the textbook definition. But I do not identify myself as one, and neither do 78% of women. It's a hate movement that masqurades itself as an equality-for-all movement. So it's no wonder it's on the decline in the west.

 

Sure everybody gets name-called, but only women get stigmatized because of their sexuality, and this can go much further than simple name-calling... How many women had their credibility and reputation destroyed because of their "sexual life", even when said girl/woman is still a virgin? How many got stalked, beaten up or raped as a consequence of this degrading? About the name-calling for a woman who DOESN'T agree for sex, this is a childish reaction from a frustrated man who didn't get what he feels "entitled to" (as if it was one of your rights to dispose of women bodies as you please). Women are not to blame if men can't cope with rejection, grow the fuck up.

You got it all wrong. It says SAME pay for SAME work. This means that a woman who's a miner or welder for example should earn the same pay (hourly wage or weekly pay) than her male coworkers... Unfortunately, this isn't always what happens (except in union work, because salaries are mass negociated and there's reinforced policies on the the women's right to an equal pay).

Well, rude or vulgar pick-up lines, cat calls and checking out (do you mean stalking? or staring?) on a woman ARE creepy gestures. There's nothing pleasant or flattering about those, sorry. If you can't make the difference between being flirty and being rude you have a serious problem (and probably you should revise your flirting techniques). Keep on flirting even though the girl is obviously not interested (not responding, ignoring you, even going so far as telling you to go away) is also very creepy. Believe me we count the seconds until the guy leave us alone when they do that, hoping it will end as soon as possible. Many men are creeps without wanting to because they don't understand what's creepy about their behavior. If every woman has the same opinion about what's creepy and what's not, there might be some bit of truth behind that eh? Take it in consideration when women say something is creepy, because it is to us (even though you don't agree or understand). And props to your former college, they obviously didn't wanna take any chance on that matter and I can only congratulate them.

There's many organizations here just for men (I think homeless shelters and stuff like that) and I don't see what the problem is with them, it's not politically incorrect or whatever. Boys are more likely to drop out of school because many believe they don't need a degree to succeed in life ("I'm a male, I'll have no trouble finding a job"), lack of academical success or other problems (mental health issues, problems at home, with law or with drugs). This is a very complex issue that can't be linked to the success of girls. Your college was probably 60% girls because girls got admitted due to them having better grades than boys... this is only fairness, when you have more subscriptions than seats available, colleges priorize the better elements if I can say that. This is not discriminatory, if girls are really better than boys they should get the benefits right?

And when did I pretend that girls being outnumbered in schools was still a problem? You really have a hard time to read my posts well, do you?

 

I have a problem with the premise of the OP. I think the world would be a much better place if everyone showed compassion to either gender more often, and I like to be kind to everyone because you never know what will make a person snap.

however, I feel like you're taking away all blame from the aggressor in your last couple of paragraphs - like mass shooters and rapists and all male-dominated violence wouldn't happen if only people would show men a little compassion.

men have always shown more of a propensity towards violence than women. That's not to say women can't be violent, but that men have historically and presently initiated most wars, been more likely to become serial killers or mass killers, been more likely to physically oppress women with beatings and what not.

I really don't think the underlying problem is these men weren't shown enough compassion.

 

How can there be such a thing as white male privilege when there are actual laws that give every other race and gender preferences in job opportunities???? What laws discriminate against against women and minorities???Shouldn't opportunities be based on merit, rather than race and gender??? Isn't giving a race and gender preference over another race and gender based on nothing other than their race and gender, racism and sexism???

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The Japanese recruits were brutalized in their training before WWII. "If people live in a culture that is brutal and repressive, most of them will tend to conform to the standards of that culture," and those japanese went on to committ some of the worst atrocities known to man, including killing children, including killing babies, mass rape, and torture.

"The savagery employed by the Japanese towards the people of every race conquered by them between 1937 and 1945 is not easy to explain. In the acclaimed British BBC television documentary "Horror in the East" (2001), and the book based on it, Laurence Rees attempts to explain the countless atrocities committed by the Japanese in the course of their military aggression by reference to what he calls a "situational ethic". In plain language, what he appears to be saying is that standards of behaviour are often shaped by context. If people live in a culture that is brutal and repressive, most of them will tend to conform to the standards of that culture."

 

Shouldn't there be affirmative action in industries dominated by minorities if white male privilege exists.

For example, over 70% of the players in the NFL are African Americans. Obviously white males are being discriminated against in the NFL. How many white males do you think would love to play a game 6 months out of the year and get paid millions of dollars for it??? I would bet a lot of them.

But, nope, no such thing thing as affirmative action in the NFL.

 

well duh. Obviously if you grow up in a brutal environment you're going to soak up that culture, but I don't know what that has to do with gender.

 

Handmedowns and food stamps, abuse and neglect, co-parent of my siblings, teen pregnancy, foster homes, psych wards, homelessness ... really, I wasn't privileged at all. My super star older brother was privileged though, lol. I was locked in a room while he was going on vacations with other family members. True story. He now has the classic American Dream life, while I'm still 100% dependent on the government and social services. Trust me, I'm among the least privileged white chicks who ever existed except that I can throw fits and nobody bothers me about it. I open my windows and yell my head off. Nobody says a word. *shakes head no* THAT'S my hard earned privilege (and I don't know if it's really a privilege at all, I'd much rather not have a reason to throw fits).

There very well may be white privilege .. I simply am not a member of that club. And I'm really not.

 

"boys get locked up in some prison, girls get locked up in some house" .. I think for some males / men, going to jail or prison gives them a sense of pride in strength, toughness. And some girls just love them bad boys.

http://youtu.be/TENLNxXxsOI

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/22/female-scholar-gender-pay-gap-so-deeply-misleading-its-almost-an-outright-falsehood/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html
http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/

Here's my sources, where's yours? Certain career paths aren't determined by sexism, but rather by intrinsic tendencies of being male or female. Men and women are intrinsically different, and trying to raise boys like girls and girls like boys won't change that. This explains why certain careers are male dominant like engineering, mechanics, construction, law enforcement, etc. And other career paths are female dominant, like: secretary, child care, nursing, animal care, interior design, etc. Women who work rednecky jobs like the one you described DO get paid the same to her male co-workers. As long as she's been equally as dedicated and worked equally as long at that company to her male co-workers. Where's the doctrine that says she must earn 20 cents less? Show me. It doesn't exist

Only weak spirited people allow words to tear them down. From what I've seen, when men get rejected, they simply resent the woman who turned him down, not the entire female gender. I still love women despite all my rejections and heart-breaks I've endured.

Stalking, gawking, and being rude are obviously creepy gestures. I'm calling out feminism's ways of leading society to believe that all forms of gentlemanly courtship as creeping and sexist.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-LCohouNDc[/youtube]

So you think it's OK to trivialize rape?! Dude, that's fucked up! When it becomes ok to label consensual sex when both parties are drunk rape, and it's totally OK to call it rape when the sex was consensual that night and the girl regrets it in the morning, you totally downplay the serious horror stories real rape survivors have been through.

http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/ <--- A femsplaination on why all sex is rape


When these crazy rad-fems equate all forms of courtship as rape, I don't even have to badmouth feminism. Statements like this are parasitic to their own movement. It's as if they are their own worst enemy. No wonder feminism is on the decline.

 

From the video (loaded with nonsense)

"A guy asks you for your number and you give him a fake number and when he texts you all of this private information um is displayed on a forum where women can publicly shame him and humiliate him".

Evil!

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sheela, just because you had a rough life and happen to be white, doesn't negate the fact that in the united states there is institutionalized racism that accounts for white privilege. at this point, i don't really expect you to understand it.

if you happened to be a black female, you'd be statistically more likely to be in jail. that's just one example.

i'm talking about trends and statistics, not individual stories.

sure, some black people live in better circumstances than some white people. but the overall trend is one of white privilege.

 

there isn't affirmative action for white males because WE DON'T NEED IT! we already dominate almost every single career / field of education.

that's like complaining that there is no white entertainment TV channel (in contrast to the BET channel) when pretty much EVERY OTHER CHANNEL is tailored to white people.

 

So, I have to say, speaking as an MRA, op is full of shit and an embarassment to those who are opposed to feminism.