If Become One of Them!

I guess I made another one of those assumptions again, they keep getting me in so much trouble.

So you do smoke then? What point are you trying to argue in this thread?

And if you do smoke, you do so thinking it will degrade your reasoning abilities? Doesn't sound like a great idea.

 

I agree, the intelligence does get drowned out on both sides. I've never been the one to spit one-sided-pro-marijuana propaganda. I'm pro-marijuana for myself and everyone that enjoys to use it responibly.

 

i dunno, sometimes i just argue for arguments sake

i dont think it would degrade your reasoning abilities in general, but whilst high it definately does have an effect on ones perceptions

 

The altered perceptions is one of the main reasons for toking up.

 

This was the post that confused the hell out of me, maybe you were high?

 

Alright, I'm going to bed for real this time.

 

RE: We never said that there were no negative effects with smoking weed. In fact, we have stated numerous times that there are good and bad aspects of toking up.

While we're on the subject, I never said there were no positive effects.

 

RE: Ok goth, I have more respect for you now. I do understand your viewpoint and I think things heated up a bit needlessly becuase of the misunderstanding about who my comments were aimed at.

This is the intarweb. Sometimes you just gotta carry on and eventually people realise they agree.

RE: With that being said, you seem to understand that Marijuana can be used in a responsible way. I wouldn't suggest a mentally unstable person use Marijuana, in fact there are many people I know that smoke who I don't think should. I'm not going to tell them though, unless they start seriously having problems with their life.

Agreed on all counts.

RE: I believe myself that I can handle Marijuana on a daily basis, and the fact that I've been smoking so long with no ill effects is proof of this to me. If I ever get to the point in my life where I feel Marijuana is holding me back I'll drop it like a sack of bricks.

Well, if you can. Seen that happen.

RE: I've stopped before for weeks or months at a time when the need arises, had trouble sleeping the first couple of nights but nothing other than that.

That's worrisome. Personally, for me, I'd be concerned about something having a hold on me. Heck, I dropped caffeine like a rock and it really messed me up. Never again.

RE: "that's your viewpoint, mind if I ask how much you're asking for it?"

I never said this... I said I would ask how much you were selling the bike for.

RE: You can have that one for free, because I know jack shit about bikes and just wanted to make a comment that was equivilent to the OP's that would strike a nerve with you.

Well, it's hard to hit that...

RE: It just so happens I was half right with my remark so the plan didn't come together as intended, but that's just my luck.

But you see my point. My chemistry teacher said to me EVERYTING on earth is toxic, we are concerned with the amount required to kill. That's something to remember - ain't nothing on THIS planet that's 100% good or 100% evil.

RE: Ok, at least you aren't a giant hypocrite. But do you think nobody should be allowed to drink because you don't feel it's right for you? What if someone thought bikes were too dangerous and illegalized them?

I don't believe that, at all. As for bikes being illegalized, I'm having that particular battle with the EPA as we speak.

RE: I NEVER once in my life have said Marijuana is harmless, in fact I get pissed when people do say that becuase it makes our arugment weaker. Marijuana, just like anything, will cause problems if you aren't responsible with it. Personally I find the worst problem with Marijuana is the trouble you can get in for using it.

Correct, but you can't discount that there MAY be other problems.

RE: Indeed I would, but that's not what the original poster was saying. He didn't say "I can't handle it, make sure you can" He said "I can't handle it, which means you can't either"

And all I said was, I have seen people do the same thing, which is why I didn't, which is a personal choice, not some kind of law or commandment.

RE: True, but cigars can still cause various cancers of the mouth, I had always assumed the health risks were what turned people against drugs.

People can be for/against things for any of a number of reasons. Religious, personal, legal, what have ya...

RE: Cost is an issue, but why? If Marijuana was legal, prices for everything would fall. You wouldn't have to spend nearly as much on glass and grass. And you may see it as a waste of money, just like I find it a waste of money for people to buy thousand dollar watches and thousand dollar suits. These are just our opinions.

Of course.

RE: For crackheads? There might be, I didnt look because I'm not a crackhead. My point is the vast majority of crackheads just fuck themselves up. They don't smoke because its good, they smoke because they NEED to. Although if you have the internet and can still be a crackhead you must not be doing too bad for yourself.

You can go to church cause you NEED to, that's all I'm saying. Look, my core point is this. There's stuff that can mess you up that's obvious, like heroin (though there are those who argue the opposite), stuff that can mess you up almost nobody thinks will (like, for example, religion) and there's a middle ground where the jury seems to be out.

RE: I'm sure this is true, I don't doubt there are many out there that do just use Marijauana to numb themselves, but I think that number is lower than with other substances.

Not sure. Not everyone drinks to get drunk....

RE: Ah, so we do agree on something?

We agree on a LOT of things I'm sure.

 

Bah, now I have to stop being an asshole to IronGoth.

I can still be an asshole to Hoppin though, yay!

Goth,

I do apologize for a few of the more underhanded comments I made towards you, at first I took you for your average dickwad that comes in here and ruins everyone's fun with their anti-marijuana bullshit. I usually just try to be Abusive to these people. But you seem to actually have YOUR OWN opinions, instead of just regurgitating propaganda and so on. I can respect that.

I just get overly excited when people preach to me what I'm doing is wrong, and that I'm in someway lying to myself about it. I have very strong convictions and will defend my viewpoint tooth and nail unless someone actually convinces me to change my mind on something by showing me a way of thinking I had not previously explored. It's happened before, and will probably happen again. I doubt with Marijuana though

 

...How the hell do you see any comparasin between the two?

 

You don't need to do something to know it's stupid. Not saying smoking is stupid, but the general idea holds water.

 

RE: I do apologize for a few of the more underhanded comments I made towards you, at first I took you for your average dickwad that comes in here and ruins everyone's fun with their anti-marijuana bullshit. I usually just try to be Abusive to these people. But you seem to actually have YOUR OWN opinions, instead of just regurgitating propaganda and so on. I can respect that.

Don't sweat it

 

...I think this has gone long enough... no one's minds will be changed by this conversation it seems. As with every debate with IronGoth -IT GOES NO WHERE

 

I could say the same about you or almost everyone else who argued here.

The only two who had a decient arguement and came to agree on something were Tea and IronGoth.

The point is, really, that this isn't a black and white issue. Marijuana can be addictive in a certain sense to certain people, and it can also lead to some problems if you abuse it, but thats the same with everything else we put into our body. Too much sunlight can give you skin cancer, but if you dont get enough, you'll turn pale. too much water can drown you, but too little and you will die of dehydration. Argueing about marijuana with such polarized viewpoints as seen in this thread doesn't solve the issue. Only compromise will.

 

I'm sparking a spliff in this threads honor.

 

I just want to add this. Hoppin only has two posts in this thread, both on the first page. The first, he just told of his experience, and suggested we examine our own situations. The second wasn't him telling us not to smoke either, the only part that could be construed that way is "wake up, you're living life as a dream" which could also be taken as him saying we're living in a dream because we refuse to acknowledge any negetives. Hard to say since he hasn't come back. Either way, why's everyone jumping all over him, when he never said what the typical anti-druggers say, which is "weed ruins lives, you all need to stop now!"

Hoppin never explicitly told anyone to do anything.

 

Telling us our stance on pot is garbage, assuming we are all lying to ourselves, you take offence to none of this? This kid is a condecending know it all jackass. I realize in the beginning he was describing his own situation, but he continues to make some pretty big assumptions about people hes never known.

 

just like everyone who says that people who get fucked from weed were somehow inherently different to themselves before smoking weed at all?

these bs arguements are always polarised on both sides. its what happens when you have conflicting views, just like an electric charge will be attracted to a positive one, and the way a positive field will be established when you run electrons by it.

i participate in another forum and in the subforum for people looking for help with addictions, cannabis is at times the most common addiction posted about! people desperately wanting help concerning weed addiction, some saying they thought it wasnt meant to be addictive being a common expression, adding to their own desparity. these people went out of their way to get counsel because they were ADDICTED!

who gives any bollocks WHY they were addicted? maybe it was them... maybe it was the weed.. all that matters is that their compulsion for smoking is making their conscious mind disturbed and uncomfortable to the point of seeking help. the only thing that makes a psychological addiction less of a problem to physical addiction is that it can be overcome with specific technique for the subject of the addiction. however a weed psychological addiction is connected to enjoyment and fullfillment. these are hard to work with in most people, due to their subconscious force. thus, a person with a psychological addiction can often not WANT to quit. this becomes a very difficult paradox when a person at the same time wants to stop. the brain has many centres for feeling, and a weed addiction can often lead to someone wanting to quit with their conscious, but when it comes to their impetus to act, the not wanting to do stop. and guess what this is regardless of the impact on someones life. this can happen to people who live normal lives, without bad impact from weed. however people also associate addiction as having some inherant problem to someones life and thus they feel if they dont have a problem in their life, they CANT be addicted. and thats largely subconscious in its nature as well because it comes around the persons actual perception of what an addiction is.

if you WONT stop then it actually means you CANT stop. the thing about a weed addiction is thta it affects the part of you that controls what you will or wont stop. this is going to be to a different extent in everyone, with factors being not only personal experience, emotional structure, believes and perceptions of themselves and their lives, and lifestyle itself, economic factors and existing hobbies/interests. someone can have a sound mind but without the others can also be more effected by weed. a person could have the perfect life but simply not have very much introspective will or interest, and can be more ssusceptable. and at the same time, a person who is totally fucked up in the head, but who lives a lifestyle thats very multifaceted, and held with passion, can smoke weed and be fine with habit, be able to stop, or be able to simply hold together a good life while smoking.

sometimes, for whatever reason, you gotta take a break just to know that you can do it.

ive heard people here refer to the percentage that gets very fucked as being like 1 in a million or something, or something very small, or even if they dont, seem to act as though its something small and insignificant. see most people with bad habits are NOT gonna be the people you socialise with or know. the cultures are split. just as the poster said, practically all teh people he knows who smokes a decent amount, has been fucked up in one way or another. and then others of you will be like 'yeh well i dont know anyone whos been fucked up from it so you just must be in a fucked up place, dont say that its gonna happen to me!'

maybe it wont? but theres some possibility in all of us, so someone cant then associate 'its not gonna happen to me' with 'it doesnt happen to normal people'. i mean fuck, if the nature of a weed addiction was aknowleged and accepted, only then can you say that you dont have it. there is no doubt that SOME people are addicted. therefor there is a possibility that you can become addicted.
yet no one is willing to explore the nature of the pot addiction as if its a threat on their own status or self. as though, if they aknowleged that weed has addiction potential, its saying that THEYLL get addicted, and of course they dont believe that so they wont believe that weed can be addictive. can. can. CAN!!!!

 

ahahaha, that's awesome, man.

 

I know Marijuana is addictive if you depend on it. It's psychologicaly addiciting, and I know that. If you go around and believe what you want then you'll be crushed in the end. I like to keep my mind open on what people say about it, because it gives me the truth.

I'll still smoke Marijuana and if I did have a bunch of it I'll probaly smoke it every day. But I would try and smoke it on certain days, like Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday I'd smoke, and the other days i wouldn't.

I can get thru the day without it, but it's just fun to kick back with friends or by yourself and smoke. Don't hate yourself about it, just think about the times you had fun and go on with your life.

And to IronGoth, I'm not going to lash out at you. You have your own opinion about Marijuana, and I respect it. But when I talk about Marijuana I'm not trying to get you to try it, I just want you to understand my opinion and have you respect that.

I think thats what I'm trying to say, it's late and I got to go to bed soon because I have school tomarrow.

So peace out!