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RE: Most of the posts that you quoted were probably directed at the OP

You mean, the ones that address me by name and insult my ride?

 

WTF is your bitch ass talking about. You decide to butt in just to insult somebody, spit some facts.

 

Correction, the posts that you quoted from me were directed at the op.

 

I like that bike, by the way.

 

Ok, then I'll say this. Fuck shovelheads. Nobody should own a shovelhead. They will all fall apart on you. If you get a shovelhead it will ruin your life. You are living a dream. Wake up.

IronGoth,

I really have no problem with you to be honest. You don't seem like a horrible guy, but you do seem like the run of the mill anti-smoking Nazi. Because of this I have chosen to be an asshole to you. Not that it really matters.

"RE: He has decided nobody should smoke weed anymore just because he has problems with it.

When did I say this?"

He was talking about the original poster. And because you supported his post we assume you feel the same way.

"However, when you start wearing alcohol-themed clothing, identify yourself as being part of the alcohol subculture, start collecting alcohol related things (a small bar is one thing - going out and finding a collection of absinthe decanters is another), subscribing to gin monthly, etc. and most importantly, refuse to admit that cirrhosis of the liver and alcoholism can and often do happen, time to check yourself."

I find nothing wrong with this, other than refusing to admit possible cirrhosis of the liver. I know all too well Marijuana does have negative side effects, but I also know what Marijuana doesn't cause. And I'm not afraid to call bullshit when people blame their problem on Marijuana.

Why is it wrong to be involved with a certain culture just because it happens to be drug related? What about a Wine connoisseur? Cigar connoisseur? They get pretty damn involved in the culture.

In my opinion actually having a "Marijuana Culture" is a good thing. It shows it's more than just a drug. Ever see "crack weekly" magazine? Ever see a bunch of meth heads getting together comparing their meth/crack pipes and discussing the finer aspects (finer aspects of crack or meth?) such as taste, smoothness, etc? Probably not. That's the difference, Marijuana is not something you should use just to get fucked up. It's something that should be savored and enjoyed, like a fine wine or cigar.

You also have the other side, people that get drunk all day and hang out on the streets. That doesn't mean a wine connoisseur is any less legitimate because of it.

When people do use Marijuana just as a way to escape their problems and hide then it starts to be a problem.

 

"RE: He is no different than the Christians who say you are going to hell and wont leave you the fuck alone. I'm sure iron goth supports them too, though.

Ever seen my posts in the Christianity forum? Wanna continue flapping your mouth without any reality or facts to back that up?"
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The Christian comment came in becauseo of this. You are trying to limit what others do becuase of your opinion. You think you should decide what others can and cannot do with their own bodies. Christians do the same thing.

 

shut the fuck up


everyone has posted their opinions and now everyone is moving onto insults. this argument is going no where.

 

Great, just great. See what life has done to your brain, it's rotted away. You didn't see I was talking about the Original Poster.

 

facts?
would you like me to say that pot is the perfect drug that can cure anything with absolutely no negative side effects?
cuz ive noticed that that seems to be a common beleif around here

 

RE: Ok, then I'll say this. Fuck shovelheads. Nobody should own a shovelhead.

That's the EPA...

RE: They will all fall apart on you. If you get a shovelhead it will ruin your life. You are living a dream. Wake up.

That much is true. AMF Harleys were not the most user-friendly bikes out there - they require a lot of maintenance, upkeep and vigilance. I would certainly never critique anyone who packed in a Shovel and bought a Twinkie - I'd just say hey, that's your viewpoint, mind if I ask how much you're asking for it?

RE: I really have no problem with you to be honest. You don't seem like a horrible guy,

Well, that's good. For what it's worth I don't bear anyone here malice either.

RE: but you do seem like the run of the mill anti-smoking Nazi. Because of this I have chosen to be an asshole to you. Not that it really matters.

Well, it does. Ask TNS - I am NOT a run of the mill anti-smoking Nazi. Listen, I bike. I bike DAILY. I bike in rain and wind, and would do in snow. But I won't lie about its greater risk than travel in a car. I would advise ANYONE who wants to ride to make sure he's healthy, does neck and back exercise, never rides twisted, even one beer, and assumes everyone else is trying to kill him. I'd say do not ride until you've taken the safety course and ALWAYS ensure everything on your bike works EVERY TIME before taking off. That's called sense.

Even doing things like eating MEAT is not a good idea to do to excess. No matter what it is you've gotta keep checking in and checking up. Marijuana in and of itself, apart from what's known, like lung cancer, emphysema etc. and what's just being discovered eg links between cannabis and psychosis - is relatively benign. But that doesn't mean it's harmless. I think marijuana, frankly, is a less harmful drug than alcohol. I don't drink.

RE: He was talking about the original poster. And because you supported his post we assume you feel the same way.

Nope. I don't. Never assume anything.

RE: I know all too well Marijuana does have negative side effects, but I also know what Marijuana doesn't cause. And I'm not afraid to call bullshit when people blame their problem on Marijuana.

Absolutely. So would you advise people intending on becoming dopers to accept that they need to be 100% psychologically healthy and guard against lethargy, etc?

RE: Why is it wrong to be involved with a certain culture just because it happens to be drug related? What about a Wine connoisseur? Cigar connoisseur? They get pretty damn involved in the culture.

Apart from them being grotesque wastes of money, wine connoisseurs don't get inebriated at wine tastings - in fact they often spit out what they're sampling. Cigar guys don't inhale - and that makes the burning of $10 bills every night (about what a good cigar's cost STARTS at) even more ridiculous.

But hey, all I said was, if you start planning your vacations around proximity to Cuba, you might wanna check that.

RE: In my opinion actually having a "Marijuana Culture" is a good thing. It shows it's more than just a drug. Ever see "crack weekly" magazine? Ever see a bunch of meth heads getting together comparing their meth/crack pipes and discussing the finer aspects (finer aspects of crack or meth?) such as taste, smoothness, etc?

Isn't there a forum for that on here?

RE: Probably not. That's the difference, Marijuana is not something you should use just to get fucked up. It's something that should be savored and enjoyed, like a fine wine or cigar.

You have a healthier attitude to it than most.

RE: When people do use Marijuana just as a way to escape their problems and hide then it starts to be a problem.

Bingo.

 

Share some of your reasoning abilities with us, please. I could talk your fucking ass under the table so don't act as if you have a superior mind becuase you don't smoke Marijuana.

Again, anti-pot people are ignorant and unaware of the facts. A recent study showed that Marijuana actually supports brain growth.

All your "marijuana rots your brain" garbage kinda falls apart, doesn't it?

And outlaw, you shut the fuck up. If you don't like it get out of this thread.

 

RE: Again, anti-pot people are ignorant and unaware of the facts. A recent study showed that Marijuana actually supports brain growth.

Actually in the interest of factual correctness, that was NOT what the study said. It said a SYNTHETIC cannabinoid, e.g. not one from nature, supports growth of certain parts of the nervous system. But the brain death from pot study previous was an abject lie.

 

who said i dont smoke?

 

We never said that there were no negative effects with smoking weed. In fact, we have stated numerous times that there are good and bad aspects of toking up. It all depends on the person. Read back a little bit and you will realize how stupid your statement is. We're not so ignorant to say that weed is perfect, but it can work wonders on a person's mental health and quality of life. At the same time, it can leave a person feeling depressed and unmotivated. Personally, I couldn't imagine a life without weed.

 

I'm going to bed now.

 

everyone who smokes in ur neighborhood has schizophrenia, is bi polar, and depressed? If thats true, and you're not the only one who smokes in your neighborhood, thats impressive.

This being said, I see both sides of the arguement. While I smoke, and am obviously pro weed, Im not a stereotypical stoner. My grades couldnt be better, I've got great friends, both smokers and non smokers, and in general, am quite content w/ my current state of living. I agree that at a certain point, weed can become a problem for some people, for various reasons. Moderation, people, moderation. This is my new take on the situation. I've been an everyday smoker until today. (first day of my break, which will lead to a major cutdown...)

 

sorry, reading back i see that you were one of the more intelligent posters in here. theres just so many people spouting off utter bullshit how it is pefect, the intelligence just kinda gets drowned out

plus, i dont really agree with your post about how pot can only unlock mental problems and not cause them, as you dont recall you supporting this argument with any fact. it just seems like pro marijuana propaganda

 

Ok goth, I have more respect for you now. I do understand your viewpoint and I think things heated up a bit needlessly becuase of the misunderstanding about who my comments were aimed at.

With that being said, you seem to understand that Marijuana can be used in a responsible way. I wouldn't suggest a mentally unstable person use Marijuana, in fact there are many people I know that smoke who I don't think should. I'm not going to tell them though, unless they start seriously having problems with their life.

I believe myself that I can handle Marijuana on a daily basis, and the fact that I've been smoking so long with no ill effects is proof of this to me. If I ever get to the point in my life where I feel Marijuana is holding me back I'll drop it like a sack of bricks. I've stopped before for weeks or months at a time when the need arises, had trouble sleeping the first couple of nights but nothing other than that.

"that's your viewpoint, mind if I ask how much you're asking for it?"

You can have that one for free, because I know jack shit about bikes and just wanted to make a comment that was equivilent to the OP's that would strike a nerve with you. It just so happens I was half right with my remark so the plan didn't come together as intended, but that's just my luck.

"Even doing things like eating MEAT is not a good idea to do to excess. No matter what it is you've gotta keep checking in and checking up. Marijuana in and of itself, apart from what's known, like lung cancer, emphysema etc. and what's just being discovered eg links between cannabis and psychosis - is relatively benign. But that doesn't mean it's harmless. I think marijuana, frankly, is a less harmful drug than alcohol. I don't drink."

Ok, at least you aren't a giant hypocrite. But do you think nobody should be allowed to drink because you don't feel it's right for you? What if someone thought bikes were too dangerous and illegalized them?

I NEVER once in my life have said Marijuana is harmless, in fact I get pissed when people do say that becuase it makes our arugment weaker. Marijuana, just like anything, will cause problems if you aren't responsible with it. Personally I find the worst problem with Marijuana is the trouble you can get in for using it.

"RE: He was talking about the original poster. And because you supported his post we assume you feel the same way.

Nope. I don't. Never assume anything. "

Alright, fair enough.

"Absolutely. So would you advise people intending on becoming dopers to accept that they need to be 100% psychologically healthy and guard against lethargy, etc?"

Indeed I would, but that's not what the original poster was saying. He didn't say "I can't handle it, make sure you can" He said "I can't handle it, which means you can't either"

That is my main problmem with this whole thread.

"Apart from them being grotesque wastes of money, wine connoisseurs don't get inebriated at wine tastings - in fact they often spit out what they're sampling. Cigar guys don't inhale - and that makes the burning of $10 bills every night (about what a good cigar's cost STARTS at) even more ridiculous."

True, but cigars can still cause various cancers of the mouth, I had always assumed the health risks were what turned people against drugs.

Cost is an issue, but why? If Marijuana was legal, prices for everything would fall. You wouldn't have to spend nearly as much on glass and grass. And you may see it as a waste of money, just like I find it a waste of money for people to buy thousand dollar watches and thousand dollar suits. These are just our opinions.

"Isn't there a forum for that on here?"

For crackheads? There might be, I didnt look because I'm not a crackhead. My point is the vast majority of crackheads just fuck themselves up. They don't smoke because its good, they smoke because they NEED to. Although if you have the internet and can still be a crackhead you must not be doing too bad for yourself.

"You have a healthier attitude to it than most."

I'm sure this is true, I don't doubt there are many out there that do just use Marijauana to numb themselves, but I think that number is lower than with other substances.

"Bingo."

Ah, so we do agree on something?

 

I was the same way in school. Except, I did not pass my classes until I started getting stoned everyday before every class. Before this, I failed every single class, even Physical Education. Then, when I started smoking before class, I ended up getting straight A's and B's. For some people weed is a motivational tool and can be used to accomplish certain things that they normally would not be motivated enough to deal with. At least, that's how it has always been for me.

My only arguement is that you can't make generalizations about ANYTHING. Everything should be based on individual accounts and not stereotypes or propaganda.

 

I did make a leap with what I said, but while synthetic they are still the same cannabinoids that are consume with Marijuana.
And I personally don't care if it does cause your brain to grow, I don't smoke to get smarter. I was simply trying to discredit previous comments about pot rotting your brain.
Past studies that suggested Marijuana damages the body were very misleading. They would subject Immune, reproductive, and nervous cells to lethal doses of THC, which would be literally impossible for any human to reach.
They also suffocated primates in a tank filled with smoke until they died. Then examined the brain and found damage.
Some have even denounced their OWN research after the fact, just goes to show how far the government will go to feed the public lies.