I don't know why everyone gets so pissed off when someone had a different view on marijuana other than "it's perfect and wonderful". Some people can't deal with it, and have a right to express their feelings and experiences regarding it. You all go on and on about freedom then get all fascistic when someone disagrees and says weed is bad...telling them not to post and to shut up. Well, I say, good for him for realizing that it wasn't working for him. And good for the people who never smoke it because they don't think it'd be good for them. That is their choice. I smoke weed, and I disagree with hoppin. That's cool though, we could disagree, debate a bit, and maybe learn something about eachother. Tossing out insults and calling him names is just stupid though, it does no good (for either side). He's trying to ruin it for us? That's fucking ignorant. it's just as bad to only hear good things about weed as it is to only hear bad things. We need both sides of the story folks. Otherwise, Irongoth and hoppin are right, we're living in a dreamworld.
^you fuckin annoy me He wasnt only stating his opinion of weed, he was telling us what he we should do. He is telling us that its not for us either, just because its not for him. I take offence to that. What does he know about anyone else? just because he could not handel it does not mean that everyone is "fooling themselves". He obviously had problems, and tries to cope by associating them with a drug. how can you listen to him degrade smokers and still act so passive? when is the last time you heard someone who smokes weed criticize someone who doesnt without first being provoked?
Hey, dumbass. If you haven't noticed yet, this is a very strong-minded pro-marijuana forum. I think the real dumbass was this guy for walking into here and telling us that weed is a life ruiner, when HE was the one who fucked up his life and is merely using his marijuana use as a scapegoat.
Haha, I'm only an asshole to those who deserve it. In this case IronGoth and hoppin. And TrippinBTM, As others said, he wasn't simply saying it wasn't good for him. If he made a post saying: "I can't handle Marijuana, I allowed it to mess my life up and for this I'm sorry. Everyone else be careful and make sure to keep your life straight or you will end up like me." That would be a totally different story, nobody would have flamed him. But he didn't. He came in here, said because it's not right for HIM, and because HE can't handle it everyone else has a messed up life and gets out of control with their smoking. That's like me saying nobody else should be able to bungee jump because I don't think it's for me. It's pure bullshit.
Funny how all the fucked up people who used weed like to use it as an excuse for their problems... Unfortunant that you and your neighborhood is all fucked up brother, so sorry, but just because you had some self reflection bullshit doesnt mean you need to preach about everyone smoking pot as a whole. Just because you had problems doesnt mean everyone else is. Irongoth, your so quick to add on to other's anti-whatever posts... but if you have never even tried pot before, then you dont belong here... they got places for people like you and its called the soccer mom forums... might be on hipforums, might not be... go find em... until you've smoked it, I beleive you should not be able to speak out against/for it.
Congress is a very anti-pot crowd, should I withhold my opinions (via letters, phone calls, etc) from them because of that? In case you didn't notice, this is a free speech forum. And though we've all heard the anti drug rigamarole, to actually have someone here who is anti-weed is actually an opprotunity (especially since he also once used to smoke...he's not just some propoganda junkie). We can learn what drives that sort of opinion, and maybe learn something. Instead of considering them "idiots" we can see they're just people with a differing opinion. Talking to them, we can learn what makes them tick, and maybe change their minds. Insults can't do that. Notice how, even though I don't agree with hoppin, but because I agree they deserve to speak their minds, I'm being insulted and somewhat ostracised? Are you really all just a bunch of little fascists who would have everyone smoke weed and never say anything bad about it, or do you guys really care about freedom? You realize that you're upset because he's telling you what to do (stop using weed), then you go and tell him what to do (stop posting here, shut up, go away, etc). Double standard much? And I'll say this again. It's a good thing to hear about people who have had problems with weed. It is a window into a different world, but one that *could* happen to us. Some people do get trapped by it. Not in a manner like with heroin or crack, I know; but weed can cause some problems like hoppin experienced. Don't you think it's a good thing to know all the angles, so that if it starts happening to you, you can realize it and stop it? Otherwise, you'll just be going merrily along, none the wiser while your life heads for rock bottom. I realize this happens to the minority of pot smokers, but it's good info to have...expecially at all you kids' ages, when your minds are still developing and you're trying to find your place in life. PS. I don't know why everyone is getting so defensive and upset anyways. It's not like this guy has the power to actually make you stop smoking.
I must say I agree strongly with TrippinBTM on this one. Free speech and an open mind as to what the guy is saying wouldn't go amiss. Also, I agree with SirTokesAlot - hoppin has tried marijuana and been a regular smoker of the herb, therefore much more qualified (in my opinion anyway) to debate and state opinions than IronGoth, who has never smoked marijuana.
Irongoth, I used to respect you when I read some of your posts in the thread that mjphysicist started in the parenting forum. I'm sure you remember the thread I'm talking about. But I lost all respect for everything you said when I found out that you never even tried marijuana. I mean, how can you come to the conclusion that marijuana is so evil when you've never even experienced the effects firsthand? Marijuana is, quite possibly, earth's greatest natural remedy for depression, insomnia, nausea, loss of appetite, and a whole slew of other problems that addictive, and possibly deadly, medicines are prescribed for.
There are some well thought out responses as well as more than a few pointless flames here. Hoppin found that smoking weed was a problem for him and took steps to deal with it. Bravo- good for him. He further has decided that weed is now a problem for everyone. I'll withhold the kudos for that. I respect your opinion hoppin but I disagree with it. Like you, I smoked weed... had a daily habit for the better part of 20 years. I gave it up a couple years ago after developing some health issues. While the cough and chest restrictions have cleared up I've made the decision not to go back to smoking as part of a decision to maintain my general health better- NOT because I've suddenly seen the light about weed's evils. While I am strongly of the opinion that marijuana has no place in a healthy lifestyle I see no point in demonizing it in a society that allows the sale of tobacco and alcohol. Yes the use of pot can be a problem- not unlike the misuse of some comfort foods... should we criminalize chocolate, cookies, and potato chips? Hell, I could make a case for banning much of what's in the food supply because of what's added in the interest of marketability as opposed to nutrition... colorations and flavorings that contribute to the incidence of cancer, heart disease, and diabetes- but that would be an inappropriate hijack of the thread. The point I'm making is if you want to smoke pot, do so with your eyes open- it's not for everyone; and while there ARE repercussions of using it beyond the risk of "getting caught" I seriously doubt it is the mind rotting villain that some folks make it out to be. People who used weed to "rot their brains" would have found something else to accomplish the feat in its absence. I find it a bit ironic that the one size fits all mentality of the angry pro-drug parallels the extreme anti-drug train of thought; both extreme camps are based on unreasonable bullshit and neither is willing to accept any alternative point of view. While I feel there are much better things for people- especially younger folks still in school- to be doing than smoking weed, I seriously doubt that it is going to ruin their lives unless they hell-bent to be screw-ups to begin with.
As has been pointed out numerous times on the thread, we don't disagree that pot is not good for some people and can disrupt their lives. But these fuckers are saying that it will eventually ruin EVERYONE'S life, and that's just not the case. Marijuana has vastly improved my life, it has brought me out of depression and completely iradicated my insomnia. I owe a great deal of thanks to weed and will continue to blaze until my lungs give out. Fuck the law and fuck ignorant bitches that generalize the effects of a substance based on a single person's experience.
Hey Twizz.... you're also too young. Too young to be beaking off like that. Get this - I'm twice as old as you and have seen weed take down too many good people. And I'm not the one telling you kids to slouch around with your pants around your knees, chewing on straws and spitting all over the place. That's your lot. Do NOT accuse me of pedophilia. You wanna ask why, ask anyone around here.
RE: I don't know why everyone gets so pissed off when someone had a different view on marijuana other than "it's perfect and wonderful" Because this thread is a bunch of stoner 14 year olds who think drugs can do no wrong. RE: Funny how all the fucked up people who used weed like to use it as an excuse for their problems... It's funny how many people's lives get screwed up by weed, too. RE: Irongoth, your so quick to add on to other's anti-whatever posts... but if you have never even tried pot before, then you dont belong here.. Just because I've never stuck my Johnson in a wood chipper doesn't mean I can't comment on it being a stupid idea. PS it's called the First Amendment. RE: Marijuana is, quite possibly, earth's greatest natural remedy for depression, insomnia, nausea, loss of appetite, That it probably is. But then again, morphine is one of the best painkillers on earth but I don't believe people should take it daily. All I'm doing is suggesting that the OP has a point, and that if you are a smoker you should occasionally check yourself. Anyone here who's an adult can do with his life what he/she wishes, doesn't bother me one whit. But the OP has a point and is NOT a troll.
The OP does have a point in saying that marijuana may not fit into some people's lives, but he is also very fucking stupid in saying that it will automatically ruin everyone's life. Some people are able to drink alcohol daily without consequence, while others become hopelessly dependent. The same can be said about marijuana. That does not mean that I'm a fucking drug addict because I choose to get fuckin blitzed as often as possible, because I can still maintain a stable and healthy existence. Marijuana is not all good or all bad. It all depends on the individual and the circumstances in which he/she decides to toke up. High till I die, smoke till I croak, bitches.
He may not be a troll, just an ass. You talk about how everyone here are a bunch of 14 year old stoners. OK, a large population of the forums are underage, but I'm not. I've seen what people allow pot to do to their lives, I've also seen people ruin their lives other ways. "That it probably is. But then again, morphine is one of the best painkillers on earth but I don't believe people should take it daily." The best pain killer is a bullet to the head, I'm not going to do that either. You've yet to show any actual negative results of Marijuana. Comparing pot to morphine shows your ignorance on the matter. Have someone smoke a joint, and have someone take some Morphine. I'd put any amount of money the guy who smoked the joint wouldn't become addicted, where as the person who took the Morphine very well might. Marijuana is not ANYWHERE near as addictive as Morphine. I'm surprised how many of the people supporting marijuana in this thread don't see how Iron goth and Hoppin are full of shit. I don't know how many times I have to say this. He is not just expressive an opposing viewpoint, he is condemning all of us because of HIS actions. He has decided nobody should smoke weed anymore just because he has problems with it. He is no different than the Christians who say you are going to hell and wont leave you the fuck alone. I'm sure iron goth supports them too, though. Oh yeah, fuck shovelheads.
I agree, only I believe in moderate use, rather than everyday use. this threads gonna get the lock down soon
RE: also very fucking stupid in saying that it will automatically ruin everyone's life. Did I say it would automatically ruin anyone? Some people just go to bars and have a drink. In fact, in England, people drink daily, as something that's just done after work. Half a pint, some banter with friends, then home for dinner. However, when you start wearing alcohol-themed clothing, identify yourself as being part of the alcohol subculture, start collecting alcohol related things (a small bar is one thing - going out and finding a collection of absinthe decanters is another), subscribing to gin monthly, etc. and most importantly, refuse to admit that cirrhosis of the liver and alcoholism can and often do happen, time to check yourself. RE: Some people are able to drink alcohol daily without consequence, while others become hopelessly dependent. The same can be said about marijuana. I'm sure that's the case. I'm simply agreeing with the OP that you need to watch for that being something you just do daily to something you can't live without. Or that you see your life swirling down the drain and simply light up. RE: That does not mean that I'm a fucking drug addict because I choose to get fuckin blitzed as often as possible No, but that's a warning sign. Your mileage may vary. RE: I don't know how many times I have to say this. He is not just expressive an opposing viewpoint, he is condemning all of us because of HIS actions. Nope, I don't condemn anyone. Only truly negative thing I said was back at someone whose entire retort was "shut up". RE: He has decided nobody should smoke weed anymore just because he has problems with it. When did I say this? RE: He is no different than the Christians who say you are going to hell and wont leave you the fuck alone. I'm sure iron goth supports them too, though. Ever seen my posts in the Christianity forum? Wanna continue flapping your mouth without any reality or facts to back that up? RE: Oh yeah, fuck shovelheads. Now, there you do. That statement is your opinion. And it's something you're entitled to. I don't happen to agree, but then again, it's part of the magic of life that not everyone does.
Here's almost all of my original post. "That's why I've never done weed. Seen too many people realise too late they've rotted out their brains and lives." and here's the response. Oh yes, I've filtered out the usual juvenile retorts from the under age of majority set. "I don't know how many times I have to say this. He is not just expressive an opposing viewpoint, he is condemning all of us because of HIS actions." Where? "He has decided nobody should smoke weed anymore just because he has problems with it." How can I have problems with it if I don't smoke it? "He is no different than the Christians who say you are going to hell and wont leave you the fuck alone. I'm sure iron goth supports them too, though." Where do you get this stuff from? If you're gonna argue a point argue against what's being said, not what you're hallucinating I'm saying. The point I was making with morphine vs pot was also lost - namely that both substances are neither good nor evil and both have their place.
i dont know why you continue to argue with them irongoth. look at what pots done to some of their reasoning abilities
Most of the posts that you quoted were probably directed at the OP. You are wrong for agreeing with him when you haven't even gotten stoned before, but like I said, most of those posts were directed at the OP.