Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by thefutureawaits, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. thefutureawaits

    thefutureawaits Well-Known Member

    Seems a lot fall into this category. National flags, the cross, crucifix, saints, pop stars..
    The bible admonished idolatry. There need not be an intermediate between a human and God. The relationship is between the two and private.


    worship of idols.
    synonyms: idolization, fetishization, fetishism, idol worship, adulation, adoration, reverence, veneration, glorification, lionization, hero-worshiping
  2. Aerianne

    Aerianne Crazy Cat Lady Staff Member

    I was going to argue and say it was things outside of worship but your synonyms took care of all my arguments.
  3. SpacemanSpiff

    SpacemanSpiff Hobbes is real Staff Member

    i wish people would learn to keep it private
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  4. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    Do flags and pop stars intermediate between a human and God?
  5. thefutureawaits

    thefutureawaits Well-Known Member

    No they don't. But people do worship them. Adore them and even pledge thier allegiance to them.
  6. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

    So? Can they only do that with one thing? If they were worshipping another god I might get it. But if they are adorating something completely different it doesn't conflict or something. So it is not an issue. Of course some people can act a little crazy when they're a fan of something, but that's no different with people who worship only God. So yeah.
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  7. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    Taking a firm stance against anything is political by definition and all western religions can be considered political simply due to the cultural being dualistic and never recognizing anything as completely neutral. The Amish won't even wear colorful clothing, but where you draw the line becomes debatable simply because they don't recognize anything as totally neutral.
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  8. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    the names of religious beliefs can be a kind of idolatry too. or their books for example. like when people call them "the will of god" or of gods or a god.
    even the idea that one belief knows it all and all others are completely wrong, can be itself a form of idolatry.
    at least that's certainly how it seems and looks to me.

    oh i know why people want to pretend they live in a universe that isn't completely neutral,
    its so that can have something else to blame, instead of accepting their own personal responsibility.

    just as it flatters the ego to imagine we live in a universe who's sole reason to have been created,
    is none other then our own species.

    it doesn't take a lot of rocket science to open our eyes if we choose to,
    and observe that every existing thing,
    follows its own purpose,
    entirely independent of our own.

    but we need not feel cold or shut out by this.
    we're still just as much a part as everything else.
    just no more so then less.
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  9. Chodpa

    Chodpa -=Chop_Chop=-

    oldest idols on earth are more than 30,000 years the venus of mittendorf, the lajja gauri

    the sunflower head pregnant goddess

    sri devi

    okay, goodnight
  10. Bilby

    Bilby Freerangertarian

    What about people who customize cars? Is it really necessary to have the rocker cover chrome plated?
  11. tumbling.dice

    tumbling.dice Senior Member

    Hell yeah, if you got an awesome ride!!
  12. MeatyMushroom

    MeatyMushroom Juggle Tings Proppuh

    Form of self hatred. Giving away your own sense of power in order to worship a myopic interpretation of what you think the subject represents. Inherently your own power anyway, keep it for yourself.
  13. neoprene_queen

    neoprene_queen Rebel Grrrl

    I think the word "worship" gets thrown around too easily these days.

    Let's not be ridiculous here. Most people don't worship pop stars. They might go to their concerts, or even flip through magazines full of candid photos captured by paparazzi. It might seem childish, trivial, or even borderline obsessive to people slugging it out in the trenches of the real world, but it's a far cry from "worship" which is, at the end of the day, a verb.

    Gushing that Adele likes crepes too is a far cry from falling to one's knees and devoting their life to her. Come on, now.
  14. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    The common dictionary merely contains popular definitions and your definition of worship is not among them. Personally, when I talk I prefer people to understand the words coming out of my mouth and consider attempting to redefine the dictionary a waste of time considering most people don't read them anyway.
  15. neoprene_queen

    neoprene_queen Rebel Grrrl

    Where the fuck did I define "worship?"
  16. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

  17. neoprene_queen

    neoprene_queen Rebel Grrrl

    Yeah, okay.

    How about this: Underline my definition of worship.

  18. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    I've never come across a single dictionary that insists worship is merely about falling one's knees and devoting your life to them.

    1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
    2. formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage:
    They attended worship this morning.
    3. adoring reverence or regard:
    excessive worship of business success.
    4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
    5. (initial capital letter) British. a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually preceded by Your, His, or Her).

    Note that, according to, worship can be used as a noun and is not merely a verb as you implied. Likewise, due to any common dictionary merely listing the definitions of words according to their popularity, using the word worship to describe simply "adoring reverence or regard" is a perfectly acceptable use in the English language. Of course, anyone is free to disagree with the dictionary and popular culture all they want, I do it all the time myself, but without at least agreeing that words can have multiple definitions and meanings you might as well be arguing with yourself because the majority of people will just go right on using the words however they damned well please.
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  19. neoprene_queen

    neoprene_queen Rebel Grrrl

    Example =/= definition.

    Besides. Why would you choose to be such a cunt about something so trivial anyway? Like, what's up your ass?
  20. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    Why would you care if I'm just a cunt?

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