i want to be permafried

stig and bumble, i think we have a different idea of what permafried is, or maybe we don't... either way, thanks for not saying i'm an idiot . i know i am young and will be a lot smarter as times passes, but i am definately not stupid or irresponsible right now. i don't want to destroy my brain. that's why i'm asking for people's oppinions and suggestions, instead of just going out and buying all the drugs i can find and taking them all until i no longer have the ability to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. what i meant about not caring if i hurt my body, doesn't mean i want to kill myself. it just means if there is something that will blow my mind of it's hinges, but i might get really sick for a while or something, i consider it worth it.

maybe permafried isn't the right word. but there isn't any other name for the people i want to be like. free, maybe. maybe i should have phrased it, "how can i permanently kill my ego?"...

and also, i think it's really horrible to judge people based on their age. i think it leads to a lot of wasted potential in young people, especially REALLY young people, because they hear "you're too young to understand" and think that all of their thoughts are going to be stupid until they are as old as the person who told them they didn't know what they were talking about. if you talk to little kids, around 3-10, and leave behind your condescending attitude, you'll see that they're smarter than most adults. they just don't know it.

sorry if i sound like an asshole. i really don't mean to be one. <3

 

When I say "permafried" I mean "drug-induced eccentricity". I wan't to alter my mind to the point that my brain works completely different than everyone else's. Just wacky and twacked out and wierd, but in a good way. I don't mean I don't want to be able to perform my everyday tasks and shit. I don't want to destroy my brain and just totally pyche out. Just be wierd and shit, like I said, in a way that nobody understands or is able to relate to. I want to be in a state of mind that is just totally different than anyone else has ever experienced. I think my previous p ost probably explains it better. It's hard to put into words.

 

yeah, i'm gonna try to throw some 2 cents in here - but keep in mind I'm doing my best to keep this as unoffensive as possible...

you said "I don't want to destroy my brain", but you're talking about a permanent change - an irreversible 'loss of ego' (is that possible?). When you say you want to be like a certain type of person I'm picturing Tommy Chong on that 70's show, or really docile old hipped out people. Well it's like looking at a golden retriever: seems so happy right? Nothing can touch it's spirits. That's cause it's a fucking stupid ass golden retriever, dopey and happy that's why they make great pets. All those hipped out folks aren't living some super enlightened stress-free life they're just so blown out of their skulls they've got no idea what the fucks goin on.

What I'm getting at here is that you're looking at it like a permanent nice fuzzy background trip. A bunch of drugs aren't going to wisk away the stress and anxiety that comes with lfie. Is being permafried going to pay your taxes? Earn you a living? Walk your dog and cook dinner for the kids? If it is I'm on the wrong track. But imagine how much harder that shit's gonna be when you can barely focus, your mind is severely dulled, and you have the SERIOUS negative side affects that go with permanently changing you minds function.

It's not about age discrimination, I'm 20 - no wise man trust me. But I'm getting tastes of the real world that are seriously changing the way I go about my life. There's a big difference between being permafried in highschool and being a braindead 28 year old with no education and no skills whatsoever. What are you going to do for work? How are you going to function as a productive adult with a severely damaged mindset (don't kid yourself, no matter how you label it its straight up damage). And if you think you've got some bohemian 'i dont need a 9-5 or money' bullshit in mind well... you're in for an awakening. That shit just doesn't work. You need money, you're going to have to be responsible at some point, you wont be able to sit around and say 'wowww my mind like totally works differently than everyone elses, that's sooo cool' and get your bills paid for you.

Want to permanently change your mind so it's not like anyone elses? Read, metitate, push yourself to be a creative and intelligent person. Ever hear the phrase "you can't buy enlightenment for $5 a hit" - that wasn't a govt propaganda term, that came straight from the people you are emulating here.

 

prism:

i dont think its about permafrying your brain, but permanantly altering your perception. near death experiences and moments of insanity are great for this. when u come back you have all this baggage. it is important not to mix the lines everywhere though. one becomes psudeo by misappropriating analogies and the like. tapping into meaning by paying attention to the flow of reality still requires attention direction. this is convoluted by delusion because abstractions replace objects. metaphores replace dichotomies etc.

if you do some acid and try to live life like an art it should be a nice trip... should help with smiles, empathy, creativity, critical thinking etc.; but if someone simply thinks themselves into circles and the lowest common denominator - the loss of art we have.

 

i think you and i are both too young to see the true consequences of being "permafried". i feel you completely, i want to leave behind this illusionary world forever. but after taking a considerable amount of drugs, its actually hard to manage. see, YOUR perception, your reality, the only real one, is permanently changed and freed in someways. but until you have enough MONEY to buy an island where you can grow your own food and live your own way untouched by the outside world, you have to deal with this one, or else you die. and when you are forced to use a heightened awareness to manage a narrow, shallow, limited awareness, it is hard on the system, physically and mentally. and, the drugs take a physical toll which doesn't help. the point is, keep your ideals, but don't go out of your way to spin yourself so far out. as it is, you have stated your ideas in a very straightforward, logical, linear way. in other words, your ideas are far out, but your style of thinking is relatively ordinary. once you've gone over the edge, as i would call it, you won't really be able to do that. you might have the most beautiful, beatific vision and the warmest heart, but if you aren't capable of communicating it, of living and working with people to share it with, you can end up a lonely person. now, that isn't always the case. some people can do it... i'm just saying (as my father would say) keep your options open, don't shut any door behind you.

 

^^^ wooo i'm reeling, that was incredibly well put. You said what I've been thinking in a much more succinct way.

 

well put stig, if you want to change your mnind for the better, do so by living life as intimately and into it as possible, read, read, read, meditate and so forth.
to me permafry means just being kind of dumber because of the drugs you've taken, which i dont think you are pris, nor do i think you want to be like that.
In sobriety some of this life's most beautiful clarity-ful moments are born, that you would never want to be even slightly seperated from, ive had many MANY moments of clarity that are beyond words.

 

well being permafried has its low...

it becomes hard to *play the game* like the others, well im sure it can be as bad as not being fucntional in society...andf you might find some people you have known your just too much of a fucked up for them with your exagerated gestures and shit, and your eyes becoming like a dollar coin and your whole body trembling everytime something someone says lights something in your brain,,,

*how can i permanently kill my ego?"...*

hehe you need an ego to function, its the overall self. You know, this twig surrounded by everything, and has power to change it.

Mayb e what you are lookin for is the *ego-loss* experience...you need psychedelic drugs, and a bit of reading just to show you the way...its easy, you take a good dose (everyone has its kind of minimun dose for ego loss), you see the light, and let it dissolve you by letting go...then you are liberated. what follows is different for everyone, as your ego builds back together...I dont know after the first time it happened I got into spirituality, I think it will stay a big part of my life.

 

humans are designed in a certain way. the brain is wired up fine. give it the right thoughts, thats whats important, and simply enjoy drugs. no need to permanently change your thought processes. youre confused as to what happens to people when they change in the many directions they can. remember theres a difference between apathy and rational carelessness.

you definately dont need drugs for the latter, but drug experiences can help put things in perspective. BUT thats wisdom to take back to sober life. if you dont integrate your experiences into the real world, you may as not be living in the real world in which case what the hell are you doing, just go get heroin and feel great, its not like a stable life matters if you dont consider value in the real world. and if you do, then you have to consider that the real humans we are are genetically designed for normal functioning while sober. constant sobriety can however make one lose sight of what the real world is. so as top notch says, only by drifting to the edges of sanity can you define the meaning of the real world. however i think this has no value if you dont return to the real world. theres no point understanding it if you dont utilise it to live a long, prosperous, enjoyable, and meaningful LIFE.

 

btw the word permafried is pretty much subjective, to me the word means 'having been changed by drugs so much that their cognitive functions have permanently been noticably degraded in ability to communicate, react, or function. whos to say its degraded or just changed or even improved? its subjective, silly word to use in serious discussion methink

 

Degraded........or upgraded? It depends on what you're looking for, I guess. Like I always say, different tokes for different folks. We all have to take our own path and do for ourselves what we want to do.

 

I worked for awhile with a guy who was permafried. He had gotten bad acid or something about 30 years ago. It made him into basicly a child.He used to be very smart but it left him mostly retarded. The state paid a third of his salary so the place I worked for hired him. They(social workers, it think) found him dead on his floor at his apartment after he had heart attack. People were supposed to help take care of the guy but never did. It preety much ruined his life. Not the way I would want to live. I would just say smoke a lot if you want to feel fried instead of actually being fried.

 

if youre looking for separation from teh world, then death is the answer. it makes no sense to me to want to live here in a manner that you arent designed for (thus not optimal), but moreso, one that denies its own integrity, ie, you cant communicate it or integrate it properly, its a personal thing, which is a great experience; but a world to live in?
i guess it depends on how many lives one believes they have (eg, one or infinite), or what people want to get out of life. gettin permafried can lead you to new things but its just not making the most out of life and the world youre in.

sobriety does not in any way equal brianwashing. constant sobriety equals less informed and understanding frame of mind, and less expansive possibilities. but constant unsobriety? this is different. when your cognition is putting together magnificent abstract thoughts and reasoning but not implementing it into the real world you may as well be imagining potatoes drinking tequila shots on a ski-slope. it means nothing if you dont bring it back to the world in which you live in, which is sober.

 

This is the main reason this thread exists. Don't you ever get tired of living by design? I know I do. I revel in being abnormal. BTW, I don't want to be separated from the world. I want to be tuned into the world in a different way than everyone else is. Why is this so hard for you all to understand? I don't want to degrade or debilitate my mind in any way. I just want to switch it around a little bit so that I am NOT living by design.

 

Hear me out:

To be permafried is to basically have worn down your neurons to the point where they don't spark anymore.

Your brain loses it's amazing connections, which cause things like "thoughts"

You don't want to be permafried, you just want to be eccentric, in which case

you already are

 

Although the human genome has been mapped, scientists don't what most of it does yet. So living by design, could almost be anything. In some unusual circumstances certain functionally unknown genes could be switched on (example: experiments of live extension in fruit flies, which doubled their lifespan, and the genes were then passed on to the next generation). That experiment was done naturally without externally altering the DNA. Humans may have such abilities (and much more) already present within the DNA structure, fact is nobody knows yet.

 

i prefer to abuse my design than rebel it

 

thanx...youre helping me do the separation between the permafrying and the open mindness the drugs can bring...helps, sometimes im sad realizing they might just be the same and a complete dead end...

 

Why not create your own design?

 

The cycle of reincarnation is not a free card to abuse your body. It's a cycle to be escaped. Perhaps that escape is through ego-loss from drug abuse. I personally can not believe that. I think that a internally realized enlightenment, not a mental deprivation caused by substance abuse, is the answer you're seeking. Perhaps you believe in reincarnation only to rationalize your self-abuse. What you're seeking isn't something that simply damages the body. It damages the soul. Enlightenment is not so easily attained.