I want to argue with all atheist and antichrist here!

By not seeing the movie?

 

first, i've show you the proof. mathew 24:2.
i can show you another proof, but till this day, only this verse that i suppose to be strongest proof.
because on this chapter, Jesus Himself talk about The Future.


second,
let's say there is bridge across the river. just because there is sign beside the bridge, that show if "the bridge will destroyed at midnight and will rebuild on end of the year" and it happen, that must be proof that its "sign" and "who" ever make this was right.

third, do you ever ask "why even most modern science cannot disapprove every single word from the bulky bible."
there must be something on it.
that's what normal curious person would ask.
that would be another case if you don't care about it.

 

mathew 24:2



just b/c something have been objectively proven it does mean it is true.

that's your logic, right?

 

themnax.

if you're just a stronghead person and blindly follow what you believe, and never listen to everyone--closed person--- so, any argument would be useless. yes, not only argument, even there is evidence in front of you, you will never admit it, and still hold what you believe ,no matter what, even on strange area.

just follow a religion blindly?


i've said that atheist must be open minded person,
if you';re just a closed minded person, i will say atheist is no more than just a "faith".

why, you atheist being closed person???????????
normally speaking, religious person who must be closed person, and atheist who should be open person----because you don't believe on just faith----
not vice versa.

by arguing, i open to discuss, so you have chance to proof if christian is no more than just a "fairy tale". and you atheist is the rightfull.
i'm open minded so
first, if you give any fact purposely to disapprove the bible. i will not reject it.
and second, you can look on bible itself, and investigate if there is any word from it what isn't liable--like what many of you think about genesis 1---. i willn't reject it too.

 

I haven't read the whole thread yet, so if someone else has already mentioned this, pm me and i'll delete it.

but 1 kings 7:23 gives an incorrect value for pi:

7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about

a cubit is a measurement of length, it's the distance between the tip of an extended middle finger and the elbow. it's usually 1.5 feet.

pi = the circumference (length around, in this case 30 cubits) divided by the diamater (length across, in this case 10 cubits. Pi is a constant 3.14etc. in this case, it's only 3.

so, yeah, mathematical errors in the bible.

most of the grammar and sentence structure is poor too, but that's another discusssion.

 

The grammar and sentence structure? You mean in Hebrew? Aramaic? Greek?

 

In the english translation.
They start a lot of sentences with conjunctions "and it came to pass," "And in the days of xyz".
They also slip into the passive voice a couple of times. It's not a mistake per se, but it's annoying.
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."
should read "the meek are blessed, and they shall inherit the earth."


I should point out that these are stylistic errors in one translation (that i can positively identify, i can't read greek or arameic, and can only write a few words in hebrew, so i can't say anything about the origional), that's why i said 'thats another discussison'.

 

oh yeah, not even a single one mention it.

but you can delete it? so you're this forum administrator?
so this forum is specially for atheist or antichrist?
hoho, this is good.
so i'm single fighter on this forum. LOL. beside just a little help from okiefreak(i'm sorry, but i must admit, you're just helping me in a little bit, or no help if skeptic can say)
so this arguement is one Versus lot of you.
well, well, i'm far to be bible master.
you can say, you just meet a weak opponent, LOL.


only 1.4 cubits.

as you seee

so no exact mathematical measurement. + not technician writer who write king chapter.+ maybe on that era cubits isn't something used by technician to exact measure something., or on that era, they can't exactly measure something like modern technology today.

according to mathematical logic, that's not error.
because this variable is not exact too.

+ you're just give something useless to make argue of christian, it's old testament and something useless about it---1 king 7:23.

if you argue on old testament there is much much something to argue if what you give is something tiny and useless like above.
example: song of salomon.
why? because, now, we're not living on that era. so we don't exactly know what happen on that time. old testament is DARK ERA.
it's not like old testament is false, but, you just don't know exactly old law of God before Jesus, and old condition of culture of human.

and what you ask must answered by BIBLE MASTER. i'm sure you can get pleasure answer.
because Bible master have study it until they investigate it on Middle east itself.
and what you argue is something tiny and nearly useless.

 

Eugene,

if you want argue,

you must see bible as a NOTE made by Human about Christianity.
just like you read about history and lesson at the school.
the different is what you learn on school is made by human but about another thing.

if you want argue this is true or not think it as puzzle:

1. test if every piece of puzzle true or not. if this false moreover on an IMPORTANT AREA, then the whole puzzle is false.

For this, you connect the bible to real condition of world.

2. test if every piece of puzzle can connect to another piece or not.
if cannot, the puzzle is false.

For this, you connect the bible to bible itself.

 

The christianity actually is very simple.
don't confused by bulky book.

it is just about Who is God, sin, and way of salvation.


the law of God is simple : love your God and your fellow.

what it want to tell is simple: Human and way of salvation(Jesus)

 

eventhough i can answer eugene's tiny question,

but i'm not satified if i must doing something like this more.

Can any of you give something big and important, till it can make me doubt my christianity?

you become atheist and antichrist must have strong reason to be that, right?
if you don't have then well, i think you must doubt your own religion.


P.S.:
i can argue any other religion, not just atheist, till something important and surely it is them who will shut up, can't give right answer back or only can do mad. and i demand any of you to do same to christian if you can.

 

sorry, late, but i don't see this before and concentrate on your another question.


i'm sure you can get if you investigate it, but i warn you that would be very hard.

1. it's not a common for people on that era writing something.
they just write something very important.

2. goverment and Jew priest on that era dislike Jesus, so it's impossible for them to write something good about Jesus.
people automatically follow their goverment and their priest.
that's why maybe only peoples among Jesus who write it.

3. sometimes some of Jesus's miracle is something not so amazing for people on that era, because they believe on something unusual. they still primitive.




the biggest unusual moment of Jesus is when He die at the cross. do you know what i mean? read the bible..
for this i'm sure you can get many records about it.


what about you investigate family whom Jesus resurect their child? but that if you know which family was.

 

i've show you the strongest proof.
where is your alternative?

 

the point you are totally missing is that none of us NEED to prove nor disprove anything. the only proof in words IS words.

you mistake me entirely. i have not choosen to PROVE ANYTHING.

the weakness in argument to prove anything, is in wanting to argue in the first place. when two (or more) people argue about belief, THEY ARE BOTH WRONG.

and THAT, comes not from me, but from the very fulfillment of what the op is CLAIMING to believe.

=^^=
.../\...

the real question is who'se ox is being gored, and the real answer is damd sure not, fanatical pseudo-christianity's. rather it is fanatacism of every stripe, the personality cult of pseudo-christianity included, which is doing the goring.

=^^=
.../\...

 

There is a mistranslation that spans both the old and new testament.
when isaiah 7:14 was being translated from hebrew to greek, the hebrew for 'young woman' was incorrectly translated as 'virgin'.
matthew, later trying to justify jesus' divinity through references to old testament prophecy, used mary's virginity as proof.

 

Jesus was absolute perfect love incarnate. It's not about belief that he is a messiah. Belief in his name is not belief in WHO he was it is belief in WHAT HE WAS... UNCONDITIONAL LOVE... OF ALL.

That's a true marthyr/saint and if you look in history it is those type of people who are truly hated and get assassinated. Your Gandhi'z MLK JR'z, JFK'z, and JOHN LENNON'z, and the list goes on.

Sorry he's not the ultimate sacrifice or the mediator, he was the teacher that came to show us how to eventually BE him literally (after many lifetimes if necessary) not BE LIKE him.

 

i'm not mistaken you, just like what i said, you just blindly follow what you believe.(wheter it's atheist, supranatural, or whatever), that's why you don't need any proof.

i've show you the proof.
mathew 24:2


And,

Who are you can say "they are both wrong"?
even if this just a mere faith, i can't say "both of them is right or wrong" before i study the case.---this is what intelligent people shoud do.


not only can say "they are both wrong".

 

all of you cannot satisfy me.

eventhough, i've challenge you directly, all of you cannot make good argument tilll this time.----i mean, argue on important part of bible.

if all of you really cannot do that, then

wait for me,


i have good arguement about christianity.

i'lll write that on christian forum.

i don't know christian can answer or not, because poor quality of christian netter.

 

Jesus said heaven is within you and all around you. Now YOU enlighten me, because until you do i'm gonna go on thinking like i did yesterday that we are all already lieterally in heaven and we are just unable to perceive it.

for the the spirit is strong but the flesh is weak. Yes thats right... your eyeballs and brain can't handle it.

YOU MY FREIND need a mega dose of eastern wisdom.

Get off your antagonist pedestal of judgement and damnation.

~Namaste~

 

Isn't that like asking "Why does God allow bad things to happen?"? It is saying not to change the Bible, because it is how it should be. Unless you believe in a God that intervenes every single time anyone does anything wrong (i.e. no free will), then I don't see how this is really in conflict.

Of course, the fact that it's in the KJV (V standing for "version") would seem to directly conflict with the sentiment of the quote, but there you go.