I want to argue with all atheist and antichrist here!

why is it that atheist always feel the need to always attack christians?

 

true, its a constant battle and attacks are coming from both sides.

 

yuuuppp.

kinda retarded.

 

Everyone has their own beliefs, but some are more rationally grouded than others. I think the main value of the forums is to give people an opportunity to explore and challenge ideas. As long as the "attacks" are focused on issues instead of people and are backed up by reasoned arguments, I think they're valuable. When they get personal and degenerate into name calling, they're destructive. For example, the non-stop barrage of assaults that anti-Christians post on the "Christian" forums. for example, this choice (and very typical) one from today:

 

I want to stress how typical that is.

the christianity forum is a maelstrom of useless garbage like that. Post that amount to absolutely nothing.

 

wow, thats just really sad. you would think on a site like this, people would be more tolerable.....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_a_needle#Alternative_interpretation
Just "another point of view" if you would.

 

haiya......

so you atheist, just based because you're believe it...?

hey, it's ridiculous..
you say you become atheist because you believe in science, logic and that kind of that thing.
BUT, after i direct you to face to face with logic,fact and science you run off and say "i believe" "i believe.".. and you can just say with your opinion not with the fact or at least intelectual logic.
just give me one strong evidence to bust off the bible.
especially, in the time of Jesus if you can.

"""and that's important if you CAN, because you will shock off the majority Human race religion."""


i was give you 2 FACT. i was give you 2 FACT that mean, you can see now in this world. and that fact not an regular thing, that strange thing, that happen after 2 millenia its originally written.



wanna know evidence too? this is strong evidence to prove wether Jesus really resurected from death or not.

do you ever heard Jesus's shroud? that;s the strong evidence.



Btw, you know.
i'm not christian fanatic and i'm nearly become atheist.
that's why i open this thread.
if atheist or antichrist proven to be just based on belief.
while, christian proven to could be based on Fact.

i think even child can choose who is right.


P.S: ussually, all religion if strike directly with fact and science they will run off and become fanatic for what they believe. but in this thread that cross-contrast. funny isn't?
it's your (atheist and antichrist) advantage there is a religious person who open discussion. prove it if you sure that you're the rightfull, not only with opinion. if you do it with any other kind of religious, they can be mad, fanatic, or say "it's my faith".


i'm open minded, and i will not reject it if what you say liable. like what Jesus said about Israel temple after Jesus Era until antichrist reign.
give intelectual insight like what fannin do.

this is argue and not debating.
argue=fact, intelectual logic, intelectual insight
debate=only opinion.

 

xexon not say in what language he say it similiar yet.

 

isn't it the other way around?

 

well, what about all those miracles that supposedly happened back during jesus's time? why is the bible the only writtin record of these events? if they really happened, I'm sure others would have documented it.

and why don't the miracles happen today? back then sea's were parted, blind men cured, others brought back from death, and egypt was plauged when they would not free the jews. why does nothing like that happen today? when the christian missionaries were kidnapped, why were the terroists not plagued with locus or whatever else? back then such huge things happened that they could only be the act of a higher being, but now a miracle is if someone lives after a terrible car accident or someone beats cancer. modern times modern miracles maybe? if so, then why are there no prophets of god? back then there were many men who had the ability to talk directly with god, now a days, theres men who claim to, but no true prophets.

Those are my questions for you to answer...

 

Jesus thought the world was flat and he is supposed to be god, think about that christians.

 

The scientific evidence points to it having been created in the middle ages, around 1300 years post-jesus. There is debate about it, but no other evidence so far. So I wouldn't exactly call it strong evidence.

 

The debate centers around the accuracy of carbon dating. Defenders of the Shroud of Turnin's authenticity argue that because the building where it was stored suffered from a fire and the shroud was fire damaged, that throws the carbon dating off.

 

so it might not even be his shroud. you again have to rely on faith and not science.

 

Even relying on faith won't get you there. The Bible it's self states that christ was wrapped in several cloths, not one single one. Seeing as only the priests ever read the bible in the middle ages, this would suggest that it is a forgery.

 

good. that's really a question.
okay, i will answer as far as i know. i'm not priest nor bible master so maybe my answer not perfect.

look at bible. and see carefully who ever did a 'miracle'.
even David and Abraham cannot do miracle.

in ancient era, even Black priest and egyptyan priest can do miracle. not only Jew's God. satan can do miracle too.


Mosses miracle on sea explainable with science. see the video about it.

btw, in recent time there is a bunch of miracle. search for it if you don't believe. God still do miracle until today, but unfortunately, people will look at them as 'coincidence'. what happen if cancer cured with only pray-this is fact and the cancer is stadium 4(no doctor can cure it in recent technology). they will look it only as coincidence. science become curious and the only explain is the DNA on this cell itself change and can fight the cancer itself.

not only in christian, even in astrology, there is a miracle, if what you think miracle is just what you don't know. wanna prove it?
do you believe if someone character cannot unleashed from 'when' they born?--no science can explain it, but i can prove it to you.

in a dark religion, there is a miracle, what you say it as supranatural.--go to Bali (only place that i ever go) if you want research it.

becarefull what you think as a miracle.
miracle is only what cannot explainable with recent science or not yet science explain it. if that explainable, people look at them as coincidence-if they disagree with miracle.


and beware of miracle.
because in the end of time satan/lucifer/antichrist will make miracle as his show to make people believe in him and worship him. and God permit him to do that.
because majority don't believe in miracle in that time, if someone do a miracle and expose it -in the Tv show maybe-, they can worship him.


why looks like there is no miracle today? maybe because God didn't want to expose its miracle to make people worship Him. that's why in ancient era God more often do miracle than today, because everybody there believe in a miracle, so if God do miracle that will not make people afraid of Him and worship Him. egypt and moses story is good example..-satan itself had ever see God with his own eyes, but he still rebel him.-
even satan in recent time do miracle, but God make it close to public.
there is miracle but God do it closed. if someone do miracle from God, they must 'like assign his soul to God' and of course ready to die for the name of God wherever,whenever and whatever. look Jesus, His apprentice, john, and paul, He is our example.
if someone do miracle from God but he make any tiny sin, the punishment multiple times harder than if they don't. lucifer is good example.
Moses and David is good example too, compare it.


just wait and in the end of time miracle will make its show, but that will be too late. in 1000 years of kingdom after armageddon, miracle living beside people. lot of people, if not everyone, can do miracle.
that's why Gog and Magog so important battle.

 

not just relying on faith, but science itself prove it, there is 'no way' technology can make that thing in that time, even 1300 AD as you say.

and finaz, eventhough it wasn't make the shroud fake or not, but where on bible you say jesus's shroud is several?

 

Meagain,

this is how science and logic work.

if 'something' proven to be true and not only in one thing but in a several area. and none can disapprove it, the logic will say if that 'something' is exist.