I refuse

No authority versus authoritarian corruption is a bad paradigm anyway. I'm perfectly comfortable with the rule of law, I just think the enforcers of the law should be subject to the law.

 

They should, of course. No man is above the law. However there seems to be that inherent corruption in humans that makes this hardly possible.

 

and was published in 1986.

This is neither here nor there in relation to what I stated, which was "when I was a teenager," I think. I graduated from high school in 1966. Also, when you look at general crime you can't get a good picture. you first have to distinguish between violent crime and nonviolent crime. Then you have to break it down further to instances like fistfights, shootings and murders.

My remark about the "swipes" was concerning other statements, not this one.

I made a challenge to "prove me wrong," and you are the first to make that attempt. Since no one, until now, has had any interest in facts, I only made a half-hearted attempt to find statistics that range from the 60s through now, but couldn't find any.

I was a teenager in the early 60s, so I know what teenagers did then. Granted, this knowledge is location, race and class specific; but, like I said, prove me wrong.

http://www.penguin.co.uk/UKExtract/0,,MTA5Njc1MzowOkZyZWFrb25vbWljcw==,00.html

 

Inherently corrupted. Nature by a long history of nurture. Money...meh.

 

There is apart of human nature which disassociates the empathetic part of the mind from the actionable part of the mind. Police officers which do bad things usually think they're doing good because they're part of a system which preserves the status quo.

Theres no silver bullet of a solution. But if I were calling the shots, I'd make police policy of a first encounter be as controlled as possible including a camera for the defense of the public. It wouldn't be an option in all police encounters, but for routine encounters (traffic stops and warrant pick ups) it would be.

I would also make police take mandatory public service... teach some classes on domestic abuse in impoverished neighborhoods to help ensure a sense of empathy.

 

Some of the other links I posted were a bit more in-depth. The third one offered some more nuanced detail. I too had a hard time just looking up the information. My theory of looking at the (somewhat obscure data), is that the information wasn't processed in popular understanding *media and such* untill the 80's and 90's.

This does lead some credence IMO to my suggestion that the scandalous youth violence scourge was a media induced hype to increase ratings.

 

That was me being facetious again. They should really have an emote for that. lol

 

Nah, I actually like the dude. I enjoy a good argument, and he's one of the few that have actually been able to give me one.

I respect a good enemy. Chew on that old top

 

I agree somewhat. I see police/authority as a necessary evil. Necessary because without it, the evils of humanity would be much more catastrophic.

But that doesn't mean I am going to let those pig bastards slide when they do wrong, or take advantage of their power. As they very, very often do.

 

This has, and is being done around the country. In Georgia, the rate of asshole cops in counties and cities is much higher than those who work for the state. The state has very strict guidelines for their behavior toward citizens. Even the counties and cities are improving as the public demands it. Public pressure is the key to any improvements in government.

btw...I see Georgia as being # 3 or 4 of the worst of everything.

 

You do have a point with that. You've corretly assumed I have had quite a few run-ins with police. State Police I have never had a problem with. They seem a much more reasonable bunch.

Township cops, in my experience, have been total douche bags with a few exceptions.

 

I don't chew, but I'll smoke it for a while. :sifone:

 

I lived in Cleveland in the 70s and my wife had relatives in eastern Pa. Back then I had a tendency to drive way too fast and got stopped a lot. I also had the same attitude about authority as you do now. I went to jail on several occasions for speeding, simply because of my attitude.

Since then, I have got to know several cops and changed my responses to them. They're like everybody else and subject to faults as the rest of us.

When I was your age I was more like you than I really care to admit. Herein lies the problem with your assertion that I don't know anything about you or today's youth because of my age. Young people today are no different than they were in 1966, they do different things, but in the same way.

If I could have known in 1966 what I know now, I would have saved myself a lot of money and avoided so many problems, and had even more fun.

 

The popo are human beings too. Well a good lot of them. If you can connect and understand on their level, understand their position, there is less room for you to come off as a jerk off too and you garnesh more respect. Honesty really is a good policy.

 

I'm Loving This Thread, Age And Wisdom V/s

Youth And Tetesterone.

Tis All Good Clean Fun.!!....



Cheers Glen.

 

there's a fine line between qualified/absolute immunity and corruption. and just fyi, traffic stops are filmed as the pigs cars have cameras that activate with their light bar. I like your ideas but they are too idealistic to work in practice. the mere position of that type of authority over another human works against empathic processes for many. either way it would be a worthwhile effort

 

Actually sir, you are the only one who controls post count... and from what I've read you can take care of yourself without resorting to personal attacks so don't allow yourself to be dragged to the verbal slugfest level or the only thing you'll prove is you're not so much better than the rest of us!

 

But everything floats down here...


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Pennywise and pound foolish?