I need to get methadone

yeah we're all retarded right? Someone who takes 300 mg of oxy's doesnt need methadone..they need to kick the shit. I understand people need to relieve pain. Im just sayin methadone is way harder to come off of than anything else ive ever been on besides benzo's. There is a way to deal with your pain without using massive amounts of opiates. Of course methadone is good for pain its a synthetic opiate. All im sayin is dont listen to everyone. Deside what is right for you. Seek actual medical advice as im sure most of us arent doctors. Im just sayin in my case I only used methadone so I didnt have to steal for heroin or use the spike. Hope you feel better. Peaz -J

 

I wasn't saying anybody was retarded, I just noticed that everybody sorta jumped on the stigma train about methadone. That "shit" has probably saved my life. It's not trading one addiction for another, it's trading a horrible life style for a better one. I bet kicking from 120 mg. would be horrible, I wouldn't know. I haven't went over 55 and if they would let me, I probably would have. I can say this, I have had times where I ran out early and the w/d's I went through weren't as bad as the ones from the H I was doing.

 

Go to a methadone clinic-but do not tell them you were recently a pain management pt or they will not take you.
Suboxone is a GREAT drug, but you have to be off of all opiates for at lest 48 hours before taking it or you will get really sick.

 

I am an addiction's counselor at a methadone clinic and I have several people who are succesfully titrating off methadone.
imp suboxone is best, bust some people cannot handle the 48 hour withdrawal prior.
Methadone is very addictive, but is less addictive than heroin or oxy's. Anyone who is in a methadone clinic has an addictive personality, thus the methadone is going to be percieved as addictive and "not easy to get off" rather than the patient admitting they have a problem with addiction.
If it were up to me I would make everyone detox for 48 hours and put them on suboxone. I don't like methadone, but it is better than using street narcotics and if you are responsible and have a good counselor who isn't afraid to say no to upping your dose you can get off of it.

 

The problem with other opiate blockers like suboxone and buprenorphine and studys on addicts have shown this is it does not always work good with hard core IV drug users. As where methadone does. Suboxone is good for alot of low end Herion and opiates users who only sniff or smoke the drug, don't have a huge habbit and are not long term addicts. Some it does work for who are hard addcits but not as good as Metthadone.The naltraxon for some reason does not work on the opiate receptors in hard core IV users as good as metadone does ? The HBO show addiction showed this and how Suboxone should not be used buy hard core IV Heron and opiate addicts. I know when I was on Suboxone it was not as good as my Methadone is now for stopping cravings and keeping me from feeling sick in the morning. And I was only sniffing a few bags Herion back then also when I first got on it, If I was Iving Herion like I was before I got on methadone I know dam well suboxone would not work at all for me.I know there are mixed opinions about Methadone and ther should be.In my opinion People who are not real bad long term hard core Herion/opiate addicts should not be on methaodne, People who are just trying to get off opiates should try other options a few times before metadone like look into a Detox to get the opiates out of there system then they should check into a inpatient rehab followeed buy out patient rehab and then NA/AA meetings before they go on metadone. Methadone should only be for very very bad opiate users who have tried every thing before hand and who can't stop on there own no matter what they do. It really should only be used after several attempts of the person trying Detoxing cold Turkey or with other opiate blockers like Suboxone or buprenorphine and the addict exhausted every other opportunity for getting opiate Free and clean.That being Said if it was not for Methadone I know I would probably be Dead right now Homeless or in prison !!!! It pretty much saved my life and helped me live a normal life again after I got onto it. My advice to someone going on methadone is make sure you have tried every other way to get clean first before you go on it,. And make sure you are done with using all drugs and want to get clean form everything, Alot of people go on it and then abuse other shot like coke,Alchool and Benzo's, or they go on it just to take a brake form there addiction stay on it for only a month or so then go right back to using Herion every day.Methaond ewill not get you clean alone you need a good plain for that like NA/AA meetings, out patient rehab.also if you have mental health issues seak help for that also when on methadone. When methaonde is used right with those options it is very very successful for the patient, When used the wrong way just to take a brake form your addiction or using other drugs when on it well then you are just setting yoorself up for failure !!! Methaonde is a big help for addicts and has saved so many from the long hard road of life long addiction,prison,and Death !!!!

 

How long were you on heroin for? Did you ever feel a high when you switched to methadone? Do you feel a high right after you dose?

Sorry for the questions, I am just curious.

 

I understand that some people need methadone. I shouldn't have been so blanket in my statement. I apologize.

 

Hey no problem at all you can ask as many questions as you like I am happy to answer them. I first tried Herion when at the age of 19 I believe.I used Herion for about 8 to 9 years all together. About 6 years of steady use meaning a habbit from 21 to about 27 . The first 2 years I used Herion I sniffed it like most and then I moved to shooting it ''IV''. To answer your other question when I first went on methadone it was not that I felt high like I was on herion or a real good opiate high I enjoyed. Methadone was more like a sleeping pill or a benzo high.To be honest It knocked me the fuck out and I would nod out all the time way worse then when I was on Herion.It was horrible I could do nothing with out falling a sleep and noding out. It was dangerous. And that is the big problem with Methadone.It was becasue I was on a high dose 120 mg's when I first went on the clinic and it was not until I got down to about 70 to 60mgs that I stoped being so tired all the time and stopped nooding out. It probably took a good year or so until I felt normal and my body got use to the dose. My clinic was a window of 200 mgs I think it is now. I can't even imagine a person on that high of a dose and how out of it they must be ? In New York city its worse I think there is no window at all, Doses have been reported as high as the high 200's, Thats just fucking crazy.when you give methadone to a addict like that its not even helping them all its doing is keeping them druged up and out of it, I can't see how they could do anything but sleep and nood out on that high of a dose ! When used like that Methadone i not good and in my opinion is worse for the addict, It has to be used right and the dose has to decrease steady over time to help the patient.Now I am on 45mgs and I feel fine I can't even tell its in me. That is the huge problem with metadone especially when mixed with Benzos' or alchool the person is like a zombie, That is why Benzo's like Valium and Xanex are so highly abused buy people who are on methadone. HBO did a great special about how bad the abuse of Benzos is buy methadone patients called Methadonia, hear is the link below.

P.s-Buy the way I did not think your statments above were nagative about methadone at all ?


http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/methadonia/

 

Thank you for the link. That was really interesting to read.

Do you know anyone who's drug of choice is methadone? If so do they have a much higher tolerance than heroin users (assuming the amount they used illicitly was equal in strength).

 

You are not going to find to many addicts out there who's drug of choice is methaonde I have never found one to be honest ? Sure addicts will use it when they can get it. Shit they will use any opiate when they can get it even though its not there opiate of choice, Its Becasue the high from methadone is nowhere as good as Herion or hard pain killers like OCs,Dilaudid etc.The reason methadone is not a good drug to abuse is Methadone has a long half life and that means the high is slow coming and does not hit you hard like other hard opiates. You also can't really shoot up Methadone eather which turns alot of hard opiate users off to it and there is no rush from shooting it up eather. Thats what why 99% of all IV users use there opiates IV its the rush they get from it. Sure the over all opiate high lbetter when you use IV but what keeps them using the opiates Iv is the rush from the opiate hitting your blood stream and nervous system so fast. When the user smokes,sniffs or eats opiates they don't get that rush that using opiates IV gives you. That rush from shooting is what hooks most people to using there drug IV not the over all high.As for methaonde abuse Alot of Herion Addicts will buy street Methadone from people who sell there take homes when they can't get there herion or pills.I also see methaonde abuse like I said in my post above, people who are way to high of doses, mix benzo's or alchool with there dose, I know when I first got on methadone I was not ready to stop usinf and I could not get high on opiates any more so My IV cocaine and crack use went up greatly, I also started drinking real bad aslo, I was substituting one drug fort another, and I was still using Herion from time to time also. Its shows methaonde is not some miracle drug that will make a addict stop using as soon as he gets on the program he also has to want to get clean and stop using all drugs.

 

WTF??? Meth was harder to come off of then heroin? u obviously have never truley been addicted to an opiate like Heroin (aka Diamorphine), OxyContin (OxyCodone HCL), or morphine... opiate withdrawals are the most painful physically and MENtALLY hard to over-come and claim triumph over the addiction..Sadly enuff 99.9% of all OPIATE ADDICTS will con't to fight with this thing called "addiction" for the rest of their lives... SHit come on people we've been having wars over these alkaloaids that we refer to as the "opiates." SHit Vietnam, a lot of soliders came back but with something they didnt leave with, opiate addiction, in their case it was Heroin and the CIA has sense admitted to smuggling heroin into the USA threw body bags..

WWII - When the allied forces broke the supply line between Germany and China the leaders of Germany (which were ALL on drugs, mostly opiates), the opium supply to germany also stopped and the smack head leaders of the Nazi's ordered their Chemist to come up with an opiate that can be created in the lab totally synthetically and the Nazi chemist came up with "METHADONE." shits nasty when u REALLY start to think about it... i mean shit america was addicted to opiates too, we just called it "Laudom" or something like that(sp?) which was an alcoholic tincture with opium back in the 1900-1915 or whenever one group (non-users) over-powered another group(opiat addicts) and deemed the drug ILLEGAL. shit our whole evoulotion could've changed their, maybe for the better, think u NEED water, u NEED food to survive, what the fuck is an P. somniferum, the opium poppy!?! whats so bad about the idea of all humans became addicted to opiates, nothing, nothing changes as long as u have access to ur substance to keep u feeling good just like vitamins? maybe vitamin C used to be a drug that was addictive and now were all just naturally immune to the idea of taking vitamins is good. ddamn

 

Methadone works well for pain because it's a very strong painkiller with a long half-life. Once you get stabalized on the dose you're comfortable at you don't even get high from it, you just feel normal. That's Unfortunate in my opinion, because I like getting high from opiates.. but for those with chronic pain it does the job. The only thing I hated about methadone was worrying about how to constantly pay for it. I was on it for over a year and only missed a handful of days! It was $13 per day at my clinic which is $90 per week, $360 per month. I also have $300 child support per month so this became very expensive for me, on top of other bills. But if I had no problem paying for it, or if it were somehow paid for by insurance (my clinic didn't accept insurance) then I would have stayed on it for a long long time, probably the rest of my life. Coming off methadone was one of the worst experiences of my life, the withdrawls last weeks, even months and you can't imagine what it does to you physically and mentally. You can't sleep, can't eat, everything hurts, you hate everything. It made me want to blow my brains out just to escape the pain and misery. So yeah, if you do decide to get on methadone make damn sure you are able to pay for it long-term, otherwise you will be royally fucked. My clinic was in Florida and once I heard it closed down for over a week or something after a bad hurricane hit, all the patients were basically fucked unless they had enough money to stock up before they closed. Apparently they let people come in and buy as much as they could afford ahead of time! For those who didn't have that kind of money though, they were shit out of luck...

 

That's a clinician speaking, I can take a Sub 6 to 8 hours after a piece without sickness. Not that it is advisable...

 

SABOXEN....its less addictive, and your on it a shorter time frame...personally...it didnt work for me...i started puking and just took some oxycontin...the only way i've ever been able kick opiates was in jail or detox, and then i have to try not to do them when i get out on my own again...i succeeded so far this time, ive been of em for 53 days, after hellish 7 day withdrawl form morphine and oxycontin in department of corrections....not fun

 

First off its SUBOXONE

Secondly, whoever said you get really sick when taking SUBOXONE too soon after opiates is just all wrong. Just wrong in general. You can take SUBOXONE whenever you want, but its only going to do its *real* job if you're already in withdrawals. Otherwise it still works but not the same.

 

i know someone who is a heroin addict. she is having serious problems with depression. she is really moody. i try to be helpful and sympathetic and i often get some pretty nasty comments. is this common? and does your body ever recover from shooting up heroin? she has been using for almost a year now. i realize its up to her if she wants to quit. i just wish i could help.

 

I have a few people who's drug of choice is methadone. There is one really lazy nurse here who never makes sure the pts. (I know divert their methadone) swallow their methadone. They spit it out int he parking lot and take it home to shoot up. I have one guy who throaws it up in the bathroom and keeps it to shoot up and then because he threw up we have to redose him.

There are also a lot of young adults who's parents have always been on methadone. They tookt heir parents methadone and are now addicted to methadone and it is their drug of choice.

 

mmmm...I've seen people get sick first hand. People lie and say they haven't used in 48 hours, they take subxone and an hour later while we wait to make sure they had no adverse effects they are throwing up in the bathroom and shaking.
Suboxone has a strong opiate antagonist in it, which will make you very sick if you have opiates in your system.

 

Good for you! CONGRATS. Keep it up

 

A few of my friends used methadone as their drug of choice, myself included for awhile... Once you get hooked on it and it's in your system, most other painkillers pale in comparison because methadone blocks their effects. It's even more addictive than other prescription painkillers, which makes me wonder why it's legal and others are not?