I laugh at myslef and all of You

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by Art Delfo, Sep 2, 2005.

  1. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    You'll be all right, even if you go through some bumpy times gettin' to know God.
     
  2. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    sigh I just made another typeo what i ment to say was

    my faith is weak.......because when if im worng and aramaggedon comes ill be so screwed ...
     
  3. NaykidApe

    NaykidApe Bomb the Ban

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    Most religions want you to convert.

    Christianity is the only one that gives you a deadline.
     
  4. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Kharakov and Art...Determinism vs. The Free Will

    Aahh...I so love "my brand" wars.
     
  5. NaykidApe

    NaykidApe Bomb the Ban

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    I think God writes the script, but He lets us ad-lib as much as we want.


    Actually I don't know if I believe that, it sounded clever in my head.
     
  6. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    FREEDOM!!!!!!!:p


    anyway what do you think my whole journey thing.(What what ever you want to call it.)
     
  7. Colours

    Colours Senior Member

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    it is, very clever :D
     
  8. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    damm I just realized I'm in the spot as I was when i posted all this.:$
     
  9. Burn

    Burn Member

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    Art, let me tell you something.

    You seek that which is already a part of you.

    Consider this:

    Perhaps this searching you are doing is leading you in circles, because you're approaching it in a way that won't allow you to awaken.

    If you're dreaming, nothing in the dream world will awaken you but yourself.

    Will you open your eyes and see what already simply 'is'?
    Beyond these petty arguments, fear of being wrong and right.
    Beyond wrong and right.
    Right here. Right now.
    Can you see that which is beyond thought, beyond principle, law and judgement?
    Can you simply see?

    Can all the world be a teacher? Without needing words?
    Can the forest teach you lessons that take your breath away?
    Ponder these questions, if you must,
    But observe what happens when one does not live 'for',
    But simply lives.
    Not sees 'this' or 'that',
    But simply sees.
     
  10. Erise

    Erise Member

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    Remember Art, you have nothing to lose by believing in God and christianity and 'all that'.
     
  11. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    The above comment is crap, Art.

    You have plenty to lose by dedicating your life to delusional beliefs: Time, Money, Energy, Rational Thought (you ask Invisible Man instead), Failing to get to know yourself better by trying to find "God's Will" instead of your own, putting Invisible Man in front of your family, friends and yourself, and more.

    All this mumbo jumbo is authoritarianism on a grand scale just to "keep your ass in line, boy!"

    Set Yourself Free from Religion. Be Art for Art really is. Find yourself and learn to love who you are regardless of what some geriatric religion tells you. Love yourself and respect other's boundaries and know that you can make your life decent, responsible, effective and fun without all the superstitious jive.

    Once you learn to be you, love you and take responsibility for you, a whole plethora of freedom will enrapture you and you'll feel unlike you've ever felt before-- FREE. Without fear. Without guilt. True Freedom with no strings attached.

    Good luck, Art.
     
  12. Erise

    Erise Member

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    ImFuzzynutz, Because we follow Jesus, you say we have no ability to think for ourselves?

    What of those people who follow any other religious/moral code? There are people who follow Plato, or Anton LaVey, or whoever. Everyone follows someone, even if you don't think about, but the effect of following certain people could lead to consequences.
     
  13. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    I follow women.

    *oops, nobody is supposed to know about that*
     
  14. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

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    well hell, man, you shoulda kept it a secret then.
     
  15. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

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    *snicker snort guffaw!*

    though really, when you look at it, you can't convert if you're dead....how will you get the membership paperwork?
     
  16. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    We are all free
    few pepole actually realize this
    if I choose to serve god then that is my choice exersising my free will
    ture freedom is the cuting off of obligations
    I serve god because I want to not because i have to
    even if you do somthing you dont wish to do you still want to out of the fact its more trouble you dont
    I have realized this freedom I am free

    As for god I beleave there is a god and just because I think its logical to say so. Not in the pure monotheistic(sky daddy) sense but more of panenthesitic

    ha mabye i am brainwashed deeply
    if so then I gess im trying to root all that but still I think there is a god.I allways will.I think that the world is just to complex to be without a desiner.Some scientists addcept this. I also think that in order for our own preheptions we need an Ultimate reality and so that is god. but whatever.My question is should I stay christain or not.Because as you have said i have alot of goodtimes to lose for its strict rules and the fact that my questions are still not answered to satisfation by it.
     
  17. Burn

    Burn Member

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    Are you truly free? Certainly I cannot tell you this, but I can pose some questions to help you realize what actually 'is'.

    You say true freedom is the cutting off of obligations? Rules, authority, doctrine and dogma?

    You say you are exercising your free will. You serve God because you want to, but not have to? Is having desire true freedom? Ultimate freedom? Are you not binded to your likes and dislikes, desires and decisions? Is not want another binding chain in some form?

    Really look at yourself, Art. Why are you serving God? You want to, but what brings this desire into reality? Why do you want to serve God? Because it pleases you? Because it will ensure your safety in Heaven, or perhaps the Final Judgment? Is it for God? Is it for you? Truly, ultimately, down to the roots, down to the practicality. Be honest and direct with yourself. Take a good look in the mirror and see yourself as you are, not as you want to be, or would like to think you are. Be honest with yourself.

    So "the want to do something because it's more trouble if you don't" part, is this not also for you?? For the ego? Self gratification, self identity to an image, a cause, insurance of safety, comfort, if you act a certain way?

    Really, think about these things. Observe yourself, not as what you wish, but as you are. I cannot say this is an easy thing to do, but I won't say it is hard either.

    One way to find out: Go ahead and take a look at yourself. Sit naked with yourself in the dark, so to speak.
     
  18. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    You want bulnt ok

    I am serving out of fear
    ok
    I dont want to risk my existance or myrealtionship with god OK
    even when i do disregrade it in the day and say "Hmmm this just is not for me....I am a Hindu/Inactive Buddhist" at night I get afraid and Plead to god for forgiveness
    I am free in the sense that I know that i make my own choices
    but Im not free form everything
    but I still make my own choices
     
  19. Burn

    Burn Member

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    Would it not make sense to discover the root of your fear, understand it, know yourself, and learn to dissolve it?
    Does fear not hinder personal growth, whether it be spiritual or mental?
    To act out of love, beyond choice, beyond the restriction of desire,
    To act out of simply being,
    Can you discover that?

    If there is a God, surely God would not attempt to establish belief, servitude and action with fear.

    Surely, God would point inward, at your own light, and let you see how connected you are to the rest of creation.

    Surely, God would let you discover Truth, beyond the written words of humanity. Beyond these words.

    Surely, God would manifest out of unconditional love, and not totalitarian fear.

    And I say, surely, you can discover this.
     
  20. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    The root?
    I've been told this all m life
    and for most of it I never even questioned it.

    Is ego not part of you?
    are you not born with it?
    we are ment to have a an ego

    Yes i am serving out of the worng resons
    if I can just find a way to love The Christain God again then I shall be serving for the right reasons
     

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