I know now more than ever

Discussion in 'The Whiners' started by Deleted member 17362, Aug 22, 2005.

  1. ::responding to pm here, will respond to post when it arrives::

    Would you eat a piece of bread that was covered halfway with mold and had partial mold infiltration if you had to eat the entire piece of bread?

    how about just 10% coverage?

    what about a tomato with a worm that is only 10% of it's total mass?

    I do not think evil is a function of "well he's done more good stuff so let him off"

    if a portion of a mans cup is poison does he drink from it anyway?

    this is why religions have cleansing processes, because they have to clear a person of their acts of evil

    people still have evil inclinations,

    it's that glass all over again, it's simplest state is empty, to keep it full you have to keep it on a relativly level service, you have to make sure it is in an enviroment where it won't evaporate, yoy have to do many things that are an effort to keep that glass full

    and it's not like the world is trying to help ya out


    oh god now I'm sounding like a damn monk.......
     
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    what pm are you responding to?
     
  3. but people generally don't supress good nature unless they have something to gain from it, granted it has happened, but I am relativly certain all the people who had that "problem" where they had nothing to gain still would in a completly blank enviroment left to their own devices believing that no one watches them (which many people who good things for "no reason" believe god is watching them always so this "gives them something to gain" especially if they are act based catholic)


    also why are evil things usually attatched to fun?


    why are good things usually attached to arduous hardness and suffering things?





    and how does supression make something not, if you supress a fire the fuel is still fuel (usually, but the methods of making it incapable of being fuel only apply by opening up all sorts of pandora's boxes of debates for both of us, I am likely doing us both a favour by not even peeking in there, metaphors that can send you on that sort of tangent are very very dangerous.....)

    if I want to kill someone does me not doing it make me inherently good?

    I really don't think so

    I still thought about killing someone, if I completly released my most primal nature and had not supressed that hypothetical impulse I would have gotten some sort of weapon and done something violent

    if an explosion is suppresed by energy absorbing substances does that mean it didn't happen?

    it still happened, just no damage was done





    funny thing is this is a paradoxical debate, in some areas I'm very result oriented in others you are, very political......
     
  4. ooh, it's the reincarnation one

    w\ the two options
     
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    dude, i thought we agreed about the intention thing, so this has nothing to do with inherently evil or good, you choose what you are
    so you say your nature is evil, and you could really kill someone if you would not suppress your 'evil nature'
    wouldn't you feel a sort of connection with your victim? like: this is my fellow human, he/she is just like me? you'll have to answer this question :D otherwise i'll have to believe your nature is good (oh no!)
    so i'm not sure about the second option, everyone can feel compassion + everyone has a conscience, so people are meant to be good
    or maybe everyone has these feelings but one not as much as another
    anyway maybe everyone does start off good and some evil persons descended to evil
     
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    i think evil people can build up their goodness
     
  7. sorry I edited away that I've been going for awhile now, I haven't had much sleep in the past 2 days so if I forget a point I'll just be a little out



    and muahahaha

    I think I might have you on post 46, I don't know how.... but I think I might

    I'll look at that when I can rationally form thoughts in a little bit and see if it really is something or just a shadow of something
     
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    hmm i thought so, when i started posting this morning, you always seem to be there to reply
    oh well... sweet dreams!
     

  9. if goodness has to be built up or morality has to be learned then doesn't mean that the graphite is going on to a paper of a different colour?
     
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    no it's the color of the paper that's changing
    from black to white
    white paper is my favorite :)
     
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    the way you're describing it can't be right, cause you're not really learning something, you're changing from evil to good by changing the way you act and think
     
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    for example when i woke up this morning and came downstairs i saw my dog locked outside in the garden, so immediately i asked my mom if i could let him in, it's something i wanted to do. if i were evil i'd rather keep him there to suffer so the way i acted was a sign of my goodness :)
     
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    and another thing... if humans would be evil, so would animals, cause basically we're all evolved monkeys
    only thing apart from our body that's different, is we are free to do and think whatever we like. animals have instincts and can't think rationally
    so humans have a choice, they can either act good or bad, and this intent determines if they're good or bad though probably we're meant to be good
    but our nature can't be evil
    otherwise animals would attack us for fun
     
  14. animals wouldn't essentially be evil, animals aren't sentient
     
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    don't you mean sapient?
     

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