I just wanna see who is in agreement here...

"enlightenment" is so general and broad a word we can't really define it from the same point of reference. in a way, all of us are enlightened and in another way none of us are. being enlightened might mean just being alive because the eternal "light" of existence is what is powering your life. or you go from the angle that those who have direct access to and liaison with the Conscious light are truly enlightened, but not really because they are still mortal. i think more specific verbiage is required for each version of the definition

 

Actually, being enlightened is NOT having this conversation and going out and doing something good for someone. We can sit here all day & argue what enlightenment is, it's just going to take us farther from it.

 

no enlightened person would argue about what enlightenment is, you just know and you can tell when other people know

 

Meditation occurs any time we observe without forming opinion and concepts. That is pure living. Going for a walk is most definitley meditation. The rythym of your footsteps is no different than the rythym of your breathing.

 

you can use the friction of debate to increase your light, you're choosing to use it to distance yourself from light. not everyone responds the same way to a debate. is the fact that you're going out and doing something good for someone enough, or does what you're actually doing for them matter? we can best help each other by understanding ourselves. do you need someone to come do something good for you? if you don't, why would others? the best gifts are given to oneself.

 

I think I worded myself badly. My point was enlightenment is not sitting around arguing what enlightenment is, it is going out and doing something good for someone.

 

you worded it fine the first time. enlightenment isn't either of the things you described. they might be ingredients in a formula, but neither are sufficient vehicles on their own. more often than not, doing good for someone (as an effort to achieve something besides the deed itself) is a lazy shortcut to feel elevated about yourself, and you feel much better than the person to whom you were doing the good. that's why I say THAT you're doing something for someone is irrelevant. most people don't know what they want themselves, much less an outside party coming to give it to them. the giver is the one that gains. but to understand the underlying divinity inside ourselves is to become the same entity as those we want to help, and as such we know what people want because we want the same thing. w/e, hard to describe. all i'm saying is that a person doesn't find enlightenment by going out and looking for good to do. a person is enlightened by what's inside their own soul and opportunities to do good will come to that person, and the good produced is effortless and nearly automatic. that's I mean when I say the best way to help each other is to understand and access ourselves, and this type of discussion can facilitate that, but is not a sufficient vehicle on its own.

 

I don't talk about because people don't understand it doesn't work in other peoples minds, unless they themselves are similar thinkers which is rare.

 

Oh my "God" that's exactly how it is. There si no duty to do anything , for everyone must plot their own course and forge their own path.

 

I think many ppl in the psychedelic community since the 60's and earlier have been frustrated by attempts to convey the purity of their experiences, and have found different non-verbal ways to express it. a person might come along who is similar enough that language is sufficient, but usually the controversial truths they find they encrypt in art, music, and are available to receptive souls, and aren't as vulnerable to manipulation because of the nature of the medium. I for one had my mind turned a full 180 degrees about acid, love, the universe just by reading truthful and candid reports from regular psychonauts here on HF. the spirit of anonymity provides a sanctuary for us to communicate our methods of receiving pure light, controversial as they may be.

 

Awesome.

I am in agreement with the original purposes of this thread.

I have had people mistakenly identify me as someone going through a crisis because I have told them my true feelings were transcendent of language.

 

The Way you speak of is not The Way

 

thank you.


end of discussion

 

why are we eager to end the discussion? debate does not equal hostility. nothing is closed-ended. I refuse to satisfy myself with what's been stated

 

Enlightenment is nothing really. Only observation without the screen of duality is to be aspired to. What else is there than that? Everything, but there is only One thing, so why not just check that shit out without having the screen between you and It that causes seperation? That is called, complete communion.
God Bless -

 

one of the most important steps on the path towards enlightenment is talking about what enlightenment is

 

or rather, talking about what it is not.

 

same thing

 

Exactly, positivity can only be arrived at by first experiencing and negating that which is not positive. Which, eventually, leads to neutrality
God Bless -

 

well goddamn...