i just broke through

You have already failed to do this... well I guess I don't know what you consider 'full' judgement but you calling him a disgrace to science and his profession
disreputable is enough for me to assert that.

I do not fully agree with all his positions and hypothesis but I think that book is in the top 3 for most important psychedelic literature of the 1990's.

 

You like to argue. I did DMT an hour ago. We're on the same side. I'm disappointed strassman didn't do a better job, particularly seeing as how he has the phd, and enough experience with how government and regulatory agencies think and work to know full well how this book would be received, by policy makers and colleagues. I was expecting a book of science; forgive my disappointment upon discovering otherwise. This book is addressed to seekers and dreamers; it is resonant to this extent. Perhaps it was intended to catch the imagination of the public, to simply raise and focus the public's attention. Perhaps it succeeded. The book has, clearly, stimulated discussion. Perhaps when I finish the book, we can finish our conversation, as you so rightly point out...

 

i really dont care at all if strassman's book is accurate or not, the point is this chemical exists and it is the most potent psychedelic known to man.

so i smoked it again last night, this time it was like i got locked inside my brain and i couldnt do think or do anything. everytime i thought "ok this is just my mind messing with me" i would get an instant thought back saying "noooooo its not". This was very similar to one of my horrible trips on mushrooms so i just laid back and kept calm, it was like the only option my mind would give me is to escape from it, but then i just came down.

 

Had any visuals or something? Sometimes relaxing loving music will help you on a good trip.

 

yea i just lit a candle in a dark room with shpongle playing and stared at it, then i HAD to close my eyes, it was like i was trapped in a box and every thought i had to calm myself was answered with the opposite thought. i thought about some of the advice some of you guys gave me and it was like they already knew every single thing about every one of you and it was almost like they were showing me like telepathic documentation to prove it.

 

Quick point of fact, DMT is not the most potent psychedelic known to man.
LSD is the most potent semi-synthetic psychedlic known. Salvinorum A, the main active chemical in Salvia, is the most potent naturally occurring psychedelic known to man.
Just want to keep the facts straight.

http://www.pnas.org/content/99/18/11934.full

Salvinorin A is structurally distinct from the naturally occurring hallucinogens N,N-dimethyltryptamine, psilocybin, and mescaline and synthetic hallucinogens such as lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), 4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenylisopropylamine (DOB), and ketamine. Salvinorin A has been reported to be the most potent naturally occurring hallucinogen, with an effective dose in humans in the 200- to 1,000-μg range when smoked. Salvinorin A thus rivals the synthetic hallucinogens LSD and DOB in potency. Salvinorin A has been reported to induce an intense hallucinatory experience in humans, with a typical duration of action being several minutes to an hour or so

 

word thanks for the documentation....

my bulb vape is starting to build up this blackish burnt looking goo at the bottom of the bulb with brown dmt resin surrounding it. there is also a bunch of recrystallized dmt on the sides of the bulb. is this black stuff good to have in my pipe?

 

I got it aswell. I just let it stay in there, it's DMT + burned DMT, creating carbon compounds which makes it look black. Not sure about the toxicity, but me and a few friends still spaced the shit out of it. You probably can dissolve it with warm nafta.

 

ive been reading around this forum and spicey cat was mentioning the occurrence of skatole in burnt dmt resin. i just want to be sure im not smoking something that will destroy my lungs.

 

Wikipedia:
''Skatole or 3-methylindole is a mildly toxic white crystalline organic compound belonging to the indole family.''
They're saying that it's white crystalline. Though they also say it smells like feces, which my pipe currently does abit(no pun intended).

 

I saw invisible beings on diphenhydramine and they were angry that I could see them. They tried to fight me like, doing crazy Kung Fu shit towards me and the kicking or punching me and then I would get a jolt of energy in me and I would blink and they'd be back to where they started. I also saw beings which were really scared and running away like, out of an open cupboard and running into a wall and disappearing. Some were scared. Some were angry. I still don't know why. I have my theories but I'll never know the real answer. Not in this life, at least.

 

i have white crystals on the side of the bulb but im positive its dmt crystals that melt as soon as a flame is touched to them, but my dmt is orangish-yellow, is that not good? my pipe also smells like straight up plastic so i should not be worried until it starts smelling like shit? WHERE THE FUCK IS SPICEY CAT WHEN I NEED HER??

 

lol, what exactly do you mean by "fake"? The effects of psychedelics are not less "fake" than the effects of serotonin in controlling your subjective perception of "happiness". I would say they have HIGHLY significant value; that's why I'm such a fan of psychedelics, and spend so much time on this board, experimenting with them. But their value is not in allowing you to communicate with trans-dimensional aliens from beyond death; it is in opening your mind to new ways of thinking.

There is nothing "random" about -any- thought, much less the thoughts that come about in a psychedelic state; they are clearly highly ordered forms of content brought about by distinct chemical/conscious interactions. The "so much detail" is precisely why we find psychedelics so interesting; they offer us subjective experiences radically rich in meaning. Contact with supernatural gods? I don't believe that anymore than I believe that they are serving the flesh of the son of god in the church down the street. Something analogous to a software format of the brain? That seems more likely.

Any theory that tries to explain a phenomena by invoking even more complex and unlikely phenomena is suspect.

 

Suspect.. but far more entertaining!

 

Hear hear!
I do agree with Writer's post though!

 

I am curious if a spiritual experience is a concept you believe in at all? I would assume most non drug induced spiritual experiences have some sort of neurological basis, the brain has to be operating somehow and you concede psychedelics are similar to brain chemistry, which produces the psychedelic effects.

 

so seeing aliens processing me into the afterlife is just another way of my mind thinking differently? dont understand that, i can understand different patterns of thinking and logic and stuff that comes with acid and shrooms, but physically seeing entities on DMT is not what I consider another way of my mind thinking differently. Its more like my mind perceiving more reality than whats out there, and if thats the case, who says these entities are not real?

 

Everything you perceive and think are a consequence of chemical reactions in your brains. So a chemical reaction invoked by an external factor (in this case, DMT) is just as 'real' as all the other reactions happening inside your brains. You decide how to interpret it.

 

I absolutely agree with this!

I've always found the set and setting and subconscious argument to be completely unsatisfactory to me when discussing the DMT/salvia breakthroughs. The alien phenomena has occurred everywhere from the outdoors to the laboratory. Also many of us including both you and I do not experience aliens on our first trip(s) with dmt so I don't accept the expectations argument either. In fact before I did salvia, I don't think I really had any idea of what entities were really.

I think a big problem is a limit in language. The idea of the subconscious interpreting a light as a sun is all fine and dandy for me when discussing LSD/shrooms/mescaline experience but for me on DMT I'm seeing perceived entities that don't have any basis in my physical reality. When I've seen aliens, they for the most part are not the aliens depicted in Hollywood or sci fi books. They are numerous in my experience too so the idea of some sort of reflected self I find an unsatisfactory explanation as well. They appear to be doing things that don't really translate to my view of reality.

If I were to try to invoke elements of consciousness to the DMT breakthrough to contest your 'more reality' point Lifes Subliminal Dream, I think the DMT breakthrough gets closer to unconscious phenomena. Its no longer a personal phenomena that is occurring but at some point the mind gives way to something more basic like a collective unconscious and closer resembles Jungian archetypes. I think when depicting the beings, that sometimes people will put a personal twist on it like that the aliens are "processing me into the afterlife" or "self dribbling basketballs" but again alot of that is because of the limits of language.

I haven't done alot of DMT in a short span of time but based on what others report it seems like the brain has a fairly adept ability at recognizing or 'shielding' against some of the phenomena when using it too frequently or simply upon repeated experience, and some don't report contact experiences. Its almost as if the brain needs to reinforce its place to function in physical reality' or something.

 

Interesting thought.
When I get thrown out into hyperspace due to DMT, I lose all the connection to my family and friends. I don't miss them at all, I just never knew they existed, I am somewhere else where time does not exist. I believe that the entities seen on my trip are there, because you are completely alone in a world unknown(and yet so familiar!), and your brain is trying to produce entities so you would not feel alone. They don't exist, just like persons in your dreams you have never seen before, yet you act like they are real and have a mind of some sort.