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Do we even know its function among plants?

 

I like to think for myself that it is part of reincarnation. As dr. R. Strassman described in his book: it takes 49 days for a soul to reincarnate from a dead body to a new lifeform, according to Buddhism. It also takes 7 weeks for a fetal body to start forming a pineal gland, which is also 49 days. Now I'm a beta student so I know about chances and how we can find them everywhere as a 'special coincedence' if we just mess with the numbers. But I like to think for myself that this is not a coincedence.
Anyway, my point being is that if DMT is inside every organism, we can reincarnate into those beings, which is the way reincarnation works(at least from what I was told in theology classes). You can upgrade or downgrade, depending on your actions in your life(Kharma like?).

 

Ok, Im not quite into the mystic/spiritual viewpoint but I see what you're saying. I believe The Spirit Molecule gave a hypothesis that it helped facilitate communication among plants but didn't really go on further that I can recall. Do you think it plays a role in this way at all as well or strictly for reincarnation?

Perhaps this 'communication' is what allows for reincarnation...

 

The same reason why there are any number of compounds in/produced by our biological bodies, doesn't have to be some spiritual/mystical connotation to it.
Why do certain, actually a LOT of plants produce DMT? Please don't tell me because the spirit of the plant wants to communicate with us or that mushrooms are alien entity's that communicate with us via psychedelic experience from mushrooms or any other such mumbo-jumbo.:devil:

Why do our nervous systems have receptors specific for THC and cannabinoids?:afro:

 

Coincidence?
DMT is endogenous, THC is not.

 

No, actually our bodies do produce some forms of cannabinoids, otherwise the receptors would not exist. If the receptors don't exist, than the chemical substance will have no effect.
Still, why the hell do people always want to jump to some magical/quasi-spiritual explanation for things that really don't need such explanations to account for their activity/effects?

 

Because that's a very appealing and 'easy' way to process and understand the intense trip. At least, that's what I think.

 

Very true.:2thumbsup:
I think often it is easier to ascribe "events" during a psychedelic experience as originating from outside of oneself as a way of deflecting responsibility and ownership of whatever may present itself to the person.

You know, the old "devil made me do it" type of internal defense mechanism.

 

Hmm yeah that may be easier, but I prefer the mystical way more ^^ Just because it gives life mystery, and makes me more aware of the multiple layers of reality that exists within the universe(or rather, within me).

 

Hmm, for me life in it's normal natural state is brimming with mystery and wonderment, why do I have to add a "mystical" layer on it?

 

Because I sometimes doubt reality. After my last breakthrough I thought that I was the only one in this realm, and that everyone and everything was a projection of the mind of some sort of being that I am in another plane of existence. Kind of hard to describe, but I really did doubt reality for several days, it was frightening me.
Another example: What if you are actually some sort of being floating in space in another realm, you are all alone. You feel so alone, that your mind created the illusion of life, which you are living in now.
Those kind of situations pop into my head after such an experience, and it adds to the mystery of consciousness for me. The mystery of life, DNA, reproduction and such, indeed is a mystery, but not the one of consciousness. It's like I have different 'boxes' inside my head, where I put things in I cannot explain by myself.

 

What I meant when using the term communication in regards to DMT and plants is I meant producing a specific effect in the plant that has a corresponding response. I was not using it in any sort of verbal mystical sense nor was I even concerning the human experience with DMT. A similar example of what im talking about is when you put your hand on the hot stove you get nociceptors (pain receptors) communicating to your brain to remove your hand.

So I was curious if DMT production in plants communicates some sort of response.

 

Interesting thought. Plants do communicate with one another through chemical messengers similar to pheromones in essence. But it is more of a "my scent will inhibit the other plants growth" kind of thing rather than a "What did you do last night?" communication.

I don't recall if DMT would be considered such a type of chemical, but I rather doubt it plays a part in plant communication.

 

Im currently reading strassmans book, and I have to say the guy is a disgrace to the scientific community. While he slathers his "phd" and his "Md" and his stanford education or the like around, he would be regarded as ridiculous by any legitimate member of the scientific community. He may likely be intentionally writing a book for the idiot masses to make money, but if this is what he calls the scientific method he is greatly mistaken. A serious scientific study is published and presented to the scientific community through established channels, not presented in a book. Unless his paper were rightfully rejected for its ghosts and aliens and boogeyman premise. He is excessively given to making up unsubstantiated nonsense, and then trying to prove not what is real, but what is possible, given a long list of preconditions and suppositions and "taken as facts". None of his statements about DMTs role in NDE, dreaming, death have been scientifically studied. I support DMT recreationally, and am fascinated by the fact that like all psychedelics it can produce images, but to that degree it is no different than any other psychedelic. Psychedelics take advantage of their similarities to brain chemistry to have the effects they do. There is nothing spiritual in it at all. Strassman has a bias that he then tries hard and unsuccessfully to bend reality around to support that obsessive intent, in a most unscientific manner. And in terms of DMT presence in the body, DMT is very similar to seratonin; perhaps DMT is one of the byproducts or metabolites of seratonin or other neurochemicals, and has no direct or intentional role in the body at all.

 

Wish I could give +rep for that.:2thumbsup:

 

Spoiler alert: Im pretty sure he ran out of funding and alloted time but Its been a few years since I have the read the book though. The book is found in the new age section of most book stores ive seen it in, I don't think Strassman is trying to present the book as an abstract. I think he wrote it to get some recognition about the dmt experience, to prompt more psychedelic research and to get his general hypotheses out there.

He's gotta make a living somehow but besides this recent documentary, I haven't really seen/heard the guy try to captialize on the book at all.

 

It doesn't "matter" anymore than the dream I had about seeing my future son go off to college. Internal mental phenomena, that is the name of the game here. I didn't actually think I saw "the future" and saw my actual future daughter :\ which is the jump that this whole dmt/afterlife meme does. It was symbolic, it was my brain telling my brain something, and what made my brain tell my brain something was that i stuck some 2c-b and ketamine into it, and those kinds of chemicals induce inter-psychological communication events.

 

Oh, I imagine he did run out of funding. Nor will he be seeing any more in the future. He is little more than a christian who is a scientist bending and distorting science to support creation theory. Anything in the "New Age" section is creepy, cultic, ridiculous and as such hardly makes an argument for psychedelic legality or tolerance. I found my copy in Psychology, as strassman is in psychiatry. What a shock that psychology as a profession, is nearly as disreputable as "New Age", and is nearly as unscientific.

I support psychedelics, however, spurious arguments of his sort are exceptionally transparent to the powers that be and accomplish nothing. Real science is the only thing that means something to regulatory agencies in order to change laws, particularly ones that exist as much because of false public opinion and political expediency, as for any real purpose of protecting the public. And, on the contrary, his book IS an abstract; it is anything but concrete...And I think youll find that when one's book is not particularly successful, one cant exactly capitalize on it. We can only be thankful that it is not a bestseller; his style of representation is hardly doing us psychonauts a favor, but I will withhold full judgement til Ive finished the book....

 

so your saying lsd, shrooms, and dmt's effects are just all fake with no significant value? why would your brain go into so much detail about something if it is just some random thought brought on by a chemical reaction?

 

Thats the point, its psychological, they arent just necessarily random. Youve tripped enough, and know enough about set and setting and the like to know that much of your trip derives from or uses or distorts aspects of your surroundings and mind set. You see a light bulb, you interpret it as a sun. Attributed meaning to random input, with levels of importance skewed proportionately, chemically. Psychedelics mimic brain chemistry; so it can mimic feeling of awe, or relevance, or fear, or anything else in the chemistry of what you think, feel, know, remember and are. I think that the mind at its basic level doesnt think in words, i think at a certain point, part of your brain translates "brain thought" into communicable words. I think the mind thinks in kineasthesial elements, like picture senses. It communicates in analogies and metaphors of feelings and sights and sounds, as this is the form that information is input, so too is it output in a similar form with an imposed order. If you throw psychedelics into that chemical mix, it distorts what is already there, either incorporating set and setting with the ultimate output, or playing out psychological concerns or dilemmas or universal concerns. Psychedelic images and hallucination can mimic psychological concerns, worries, interests, problems, memories (conscious or not) and the like. So, if Writer subconsciously wants a future with wives and children and the like, and wonders at his success or lack thereof, it can influence the images produced or selected by the mindpool of complex chemistry, including interpretive chemistry from this part of the mind, or that....