I have a question regarding the environment and libertarians?

All of them, and contrary to your views I don't feel it is the duty or responsibility of the Federal government in the U.S.A. to try and bring about equality of results to each and every society comprising the U.S.A. collectively. I do however feel that each level of government, under which each society exists, has both a duty and responsibility to assure that the laws are equally applicable and equally enforced upon each and every individual member of society regardless of their race, religion, politics, economic class, or any other difference.

Getting back to the environment, it would seem that the major component resulting in the degradation of our environment is typically being ignored, and that is the human population, currently around 7.3 billion I believe, and growing.

 

Once again I'll ask, has anyone read the current years "Code of Federal Regulations"? Or keeping on topic has anyone read "Title 40 - Protection of the Environment"? Or how about has anyone read any one of the 34 volumes contained in "Title 40 - Protection of the Environment"?

 

indie

So why did you suggest that wealth be given greater voting power so it could block or veto the majority vote?

1 – Again I’ll ask (for what seems like the 1000th time) can you explain what you mean by ‘societies’.

2 – My view is that there should be some balance in society, equality of opportunity and the realizing of potential.

In the many discussions we have you seem to want to give power and influence to a few to the detriment of the many further unbalancing society and you seem to want to stifle opportunity and potential.

So do I - but as pointed out to you on numerous occasions if one group in a society has great power and influence it will likely use that to manipulate the laws and regulations of said society to their own advantage. That is why balance is needed.

I’ll ask again (for what seems like the millionth time) why do you seem to want to give greater power and influence to wealth?

So what do you want to do about it?

 

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I’ll ask what bits would you want taking out and why?

 

Bal,

Go back to the threads you mention and perhaps you might with a little effort and by keeping my replies in context understand why I wrote what I did. If not, perhaps another thread will appear in the future relative to the topics you keep bringing up in each and every thread where they might be discussed more appropriately than this one.

 

It was just a general example of a job that might be safer than farm work. A kid helping the elderly learn computers would be supervised more than they would on most farms. He/she wouldn't just be "wandering around." How many jobs do you know where you could just wander around without supervision? And no, I haven't thought it through because it was a hypothetical scenario for the purpose of discussion. It may or may not be something that I wish to have in place. As a kid, I'd choose a farm over a retirement home any day. But there are lots of kids who wouldn't be able to handle it. One of the best things about working on a farm for me was actually the lack of supervision. The farmer would give us a task and then come check on us around the time he expected it to be done.

What would I like to do? I'd like to discuss possible drawbacks and/or strong points of a Libertarian Environmental policy. Maybe some ways their ideas could be blended with a few others to make it more acceptable for people with differing views...

 

Bal,

Considering that government is proposing new regulations based on an anthropogenic causes having effect on our environment, does it not make rational and reasonable sense that population increase contributes to the difficulty in solving many environment problems?

Both admitting that I have no solution and even if I could think of one, you would go to great length to denigrate both me and any solution I proposed, so instead I'll ask you if it is or is not a contributing factor to our environment problem, and allow you to educate us all on how it needs to be solved.

 

Bal,

On the "Code of Federal Regulations", Title 40 - Protection of Environment, the question I asked was "Has anyone read it?" I've just downloaded it, and found volume 1 of the 34 volume set containing 2312 pdf files when opened. At my age and eyesight it's highly unlikely I could read it entirely or even to a great length in my remaining lifetime, which is why I asked the question. Haven't you read it yet?

 

Indie

I can and do go back and I’m happy to supply people with the quotes and the context –

For example your suggestion about giving extra voting power to wealth started here –

Post 69 - [FONT=&quot]Question About Operation of Small Government[/FONT]

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?p=6540290&highlight=additional+votes#post6540290

Yes that was June 2009 so maybe you have changed your mind? Have you?

 

Meagain,

Perhaps if enough of us were to put forth the effort in discussing the issues, one of the political parties whether it be the Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, or others might begin to adapt their platform to match more closely the desires of the people they try to entice to vote for their candidate. And you seemed to agree with that concept, which is why I asked your feelings related to the issues. We waste much time and effort denigrating one political party or another, or even each other, and seldom put any effort at all in 'discussing' the issues with intent to reach any agreeable solutions, leaving that to be done by those we elect to represent us who are more intent on getting elected or reelected than anything else.

 

Letlovin

So why the hell bring it up? I mean you say it was the purposes of discussion but you seem to be saying you don’t want to discuss it and anyway you haven’t actually giving it any thought

Then why bring up the granddad myth (that you then dropped) and then the completely un-thought through scenario that you don’t want to discuss although you claim you brought it up to be discussed.

As to your “Libertarian Environmental policy” both me and meagain have raised criticisms that you don’t seem to be addressing.

 

I'm 100% for progress, but have little if anything in common with those who use the term progressive in the collectivist political sense.

Many methods of birth control are widely available and affordable, so I see no reason at all that Government, insurance companies, or employers should become involved in their provision. In my opinion birth control, and child bearing are personal choices, as well as personal responsibilities.

 

Title 40 pertains to Protecting the Environment, and I thought perhaps someone here might be familiar with it. I downloaded it, but find it to voluminous for a single person to actually read, or at least for me in my remaining lifetime. It does make one wonder if they might be breaking any environmental regulations or laws without knowing.

 

Look man, I dropped the grandad myth because it was busted. I read it from a bad source and when I realized that it didn't "hold up to scrutiny" I dropped it and gave what I thought to be a better example. I think our time here would be better discussed on the environment, but since topic relevance is up to you then fine, I'll discuss it. But as I pointed out before....I'm not at home sitting at a computer desk. I don't have time to reply to every post within a few minutes. Especially when I'm taking the time to make posts like this. You have to give me time to respond buddy, before you accuse me of evading.

Now excuse me, I have to go diagnose an electrical hoist system. I'll have more time to respond a little later.

 

Bal,

The context I was using in what you have frequently referred to "off topic" was essentially the same as the sheep among the pack of wolves democratically deciding what (who) to have for dinner. I'm sorry if that flew over your head.

 

Indie

Have I said there isn’t a human impact on the environment?

Hey Indie I don’t need to denigrate your ideas you do a great job of that yourself.
So let make this clear – you haven’t not any ideas on what to do nothing, nada, absolute zilch?

Now I ask this because you have brought this up a few times and I’ve asked you a few times what would be your solution and no of those times did you think that I might be a good idea to think about the subject and try and have some ideas? Or was that too much like hard work?

You see to me that is the big problem with right wing libertarian ideas they don’t seem to have been though about very much so much of it just doesn’t go beyond the slogan or unsubstantiated assertion.

So let’s first confirm you have nothing no clue?