I have a question regarding the environment and libertarians?

letlovin

And another point – you seem to be saying here that the children involved are so in need they have to steal or otherwise break the law (maybe go into prostitution for instance).


I’d ask why are they so in need?

 

Howabout reading/quoting the entire post?

 

I didn't type that. Perhaps you could ask the author?

 

Perhaps a better example would be a 12 year old getting a job at a retirement home, helping the elderly with computers. That is against the law. But back breaking farm work is just fine according to child labor laws.

 

Letlovin

As I said you seemed to be saying the grandfather would not be prosecuted for this so why bring up the idea that a grandfather would?

 

Is the child supervised? I mean are they wondering around a retirement home on their own? Most respectable homes people have to be let in and out, there are entry codes etc, few I know would just let a 12 year old wander around as they wished. How is the child getting the work what work is it etc etc - This throws open more questions than answers.

 

If that's your best argument for Libertarians protecting the environment, well, no thanks.

 

Letlovin

The grandfather argument wasn’t good but it was your first choice to champion deregulation.

As I said earlier its slogan politics –

‘regulation says that granddad can’t even give money to his grandson helping him out’ is the slogan and people who don’t ask questions go - oh well that’s not right regulations are bad–

BUT when looked at the slogan doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

 

I didn't.

 

None of these questions are valid because its against the law, and it isn't happening.

Do you think that working on a farm is less or more dangerous than an old folks home?

My point is that allowing children to work on farms but not safer jobs is ass backwards, and is one reason the laws should be reformed.

But this isn't a child labor thread. Why are we talking about this? You are so good at derailing threads I didn't even know I was helping lol

 

There is a similarity between children, the poor and the environment: none of them have a political "voice" so to speak and are therefore vulnerable of being a victim of corporate abuse (due to their insatiable appetite for profit).

 

You make some good points here, but you have some things wrong.

First of all, you're implying that I want all child labor laws to be removed. I've repeated several times that that's not the case. Posting that picture envokes a stron emotional response....but it's unwarranted and a cheap distraction.

2nd, children working on farms do not need parental supervision, only permission.

http://www.dol.gov/elaws/esa/flsa/docs/hours.asp

So on "small farms" there is no age restriction or minimum wage restrictions.

Still think child labor laws don't need any reform?

 

Actually I said on this same topic "Neo Liberals are just as bad as neoConservatives. I also politely explained my disbelief on Global Warming DUE to the fact it was pushed by Al Gore, and Liberals blindly push the agenda claiming anyone who doesn't believe is a businessman who wants to pollute the ozone?? Well, as shown in the image- the way to "properly dispose of carbon" according to our government is to burn it, then bury it. Meanwhile they also claim that "burning fossil fuel" is what's causing Global Warming. How are they so positive burning/burying carbon wont eventually get into our ecosystem? Hell, if they wait long enough it'll seep into the ocean underground (through a different science, called plate tectonics!)

But now, also thanks to these NeoLiberal Global Warming policies, aircraft will come around and dump particles of metal and chemicals on citizens to "stop global warming," but yeah- it's totally sad I have to call Liberals out on their own BS- But my point is that the Government doesn't help.

The government has been in healthcare for 40 years, and there's less people that have insurance now than before the government got in the business!

In fact nearly everything ran by the government overspends, (raising the cost,) and thusly destroying the distribution! That is to say, not as many people can afford it. Then, the programs are either forced to a halt; meaning they sometimes aren't able to cover everyone. (Medicare)

So after 40 years medicare has been a total waste. But, even though we're now (being forced to buy) obamacare, you think they'll finally destroy the disaster known as medicare? Not Likely...and that's the problem really..

Nothing is free; the taxpayer must pay for all of this. That's why it's easy for politicians to promise you money, because it isn't theirs to give away.

 

Most Libertarians understand there is a need for some government regulation. I've already agreed to this. You're acting as if you haven't read anything I've said, because weve already been through this. We aren't anarchists. There are many valid environmental laws. The biggest problem I have is the loopholes and how money can by you a pass to pollute.

 

Actually this is from NASA regarding Carbon and the effect on the atmosphere

 

I am very aware of what it was like before regulation. And so should anyone with a high school education.

I'm not aware of anyone wishing to go back to that.