i hate cops now

Yes but that would be true in near any profession.

 

holy fucking epic locks in your sig.

Bout cops.... I've always hated it, long before drugs I remember watching a drug related marathon on it, and seeing them bully countless people over a little bit of bud or crack.... and I remember being a little kid, but knowing crack was not a "narcotic".... and knowing that it has nothing to do with weed, like they kept saying. It was basically a marathon of bullying crying emaciated unhealthy looking people who obviously needed real help over a 2 inch piece of glass... and then, of course, arresting them after promising not to, once they tired of tormenting them on the curb.

Did the guy with cid at least know his rights and behave respectably? Did he do anything really stupid or whatnot?

On a similar note, bate car.... discuss...

 

Don't shoot the messenger. This thread is misdirected anger at the LAW, not those forced to enact said laws.

 

I don't mind it. Hell they're not doing anything except watching basically. Even in drug sting operations it usually requires an undercover either trying to solicit or sell drugs to someone. But a bait car is left totally unattended, if that car wasn't there the next car down the line with keys in the car would get stolen anyways. One of the main arguments for drug legalization(and gambling, prostitution, ect) is that they're victimless crimes and the legislation is morality based, that their illegality makes something that shouldn't be harmful to anyone except possibly the user very harmful by creating pimps, dealers, drug money, ghettos built around it, ect.

Car thievery on the other hand deals a severe blow to whoever gets their car stolen. There are no circumstances where car theft can be a victimless crime. So yea I'm all for busting people trying to steal cars. Cars are often the most valuable thing a person owns(especially so if the person doesn't own a home) and are vital to a person's livelihood.

 

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My distaste is directed towards cops that abuse their power, not the ones that do their jobs and aren't dicks about it. There are plenty of examples of cops over stepping their boundaries and acting outside the LAW. Fuck those cops, not all cops.

 

I do, of course, see that side to it. The people who take the cars are not nice people. But it's STILL entrapment, as I see it. And they like to run in and pull guns on anyone with the keys, who might stand or sit near the car.... I mean, yeah, lots of people doing that deserve something bad, but that doesn't make the setup acceptable.... I mean what's next, leaving bait oregano sacks around, and pulling guns on people who pick em' up? Lots of police would be in favor of that, too...

 

"Fucking with me cause im a teenage with a little bit of gold and a pager
searching my car, looking for the product, thinking every nigga is selling narcotics
You'd rather see me in the pen then me and Lorenzo rolling in a benzo"

I fucking love that song

 

There's a reason cops are allowed to solicit drugs from people but can't pull guns on people for picking up things off the street, it's intent. People pick up random stuff off the ground all the time, you can't know what it is until you do. Few people have ever got into a car to steal it and thought "hmmm I wonder if this counts as car theft.

It's not entrapment, in fact it's the complete opposite of entrapment. Entrapment means if a government agent coerces someone into committing a crime they otherwise wouldn't do. It's not even really "baiting" despite the term. No one is solicited to try to steal a car, the cars aren't left running, they don't track down released car thieves and drop the cars off in front of them

To sum up and to quote wiki, entrapment generally needs to include:

 

they do bait bike in some areas too.. The bike dont belong to you, yet you take it.... They are not baiting bikes to look like trash or scrap..
Is it really necessary to lock your bike up to get a cup of coffee?..

 

I got my bike stolen from inside my own garage while home, so the answer is yes. Lock early, lock often.

 

bikes Ive had under the porch have been taken.. though Ive never been upset when a bike was stolen..

 

You make a thread hating the police for following the law, and then make a post hating the police for operating outside of the law...

Watch this from 9:00 onwards if you are interested in THINKING. If you want to blindly continue shouting "Fuck the police" then continue as you were:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qg__ffkDDY"]YouTube - Alan Watts On Drugs

(Yes annoying music because don't know where about exactly in the 6 video lecture it is, but the 6 video lecture is WELL worth watching).

 

cops are trained to intimidate you and trick you out of your rights

 

and i hate the they were just doing their job argument... this could be used to justify anything... i guess though that cops do actually help people, and to continue helping people in situations where the law should be enforced, they must arrest people who are commiting crimes that shouldn't be illegal. but cops that mostly arrest people for drugs... legally or not... FUCK THEM

 

ignorance is no excuse... many cops intent isn't even to help people... but to fulfill their adrenaline addiction

 

We should really be angry at the people who make the rules for the cops to follow not the actual cops. Though I do believe that most people become cops to push people around. And they look cool with a gun.

 

Think of it this way though, if the moron on cops wouldn't have been driving around all fucked up and with no license (that's usually how people get busted) then he wouldn't have been busted. He should have stayed at home and enjoyed uncle cid.

 

Maybe it has something to do with the fact drugs are illegal, the police are tasked with trying to keep up their prohibition, a lot of people use drugs, drugs make people do dumb things, and a lot of drug users are really dumb to begin with. Just saying there's probably 500 people right now in my county out on a blunt ride, doubt there's 500 robberies or homicides going on right now.

 

I was watching bait car (In a hotel, neither me nor my family has, or wants, a TV) the other day, a guy took the keys and was standing around. He probably meant to sell them to anyone, but said he was just going to give them to the driver and ask for a tip of a few dollars, they ran in with guns drawn and in his face, and cuffed him as physically as possible against the hood of the car, instead of just asking him to put his hands behind his back. They couldn't tell anything about his intent, they just wanted to jam a gun in a guys face.

'ya think it would have aired if one of their fingers slipped and killed him, showing those brave cops putting their lives on the line and whatnot?:mickey:

The cops in the show talk about how they get people to steal cars when they otherwise wouldn't. They leave cars in the middle of the street with doors open and keys as obvious as possible, some of the ones I've seen, I'd take and park, and leave the keys on the drivers seat, just because of how they're in the middle of the fucking street with keys hanging out. And if I did that, they'd hold multiple guns to my head.

About the bate bike thing, same as the bate car, I wouldn't mind it if it where just there, even obviously, but if there's a bike accross the sidewalk I'll pick it up and set it right... they just like being on TV while playing with assault rifles.

 

Cops pull guns on every subject who isn't already in handcuffs, and you'd do it too. Statistically if a cop is going to get shot it's either when at a simple road pull over, or when a subject realizes they're about to be arrested. It's amazing what people will do in panic.

Like really car theft lands you jail time in almost any circumstance, including conspiracy to commit grand larceny(which I assume the above would be since he hadn't physically drove off with the car). Threat of jail makes people do crazy things sometimes. If I was a cop about to make an arrest for someone who just seriously considered stealing a car I'd have my gun out, especially since bait cars normally take place in inner cities. The chance the subject has a weapon or is gang affiliated skyrockets, and the fact remains a lot of criminals in the US have guns.