I finnaly Did it

man... i believe i saw what god looked like for a second. does he have long hair and a whole bunch of eyes? this is what i saw once i exited this door in my mind. Is that what he looks like to others too?

 

god looks like anything and everything and nothing man

people see "god" and conceptualize "god" in many different ways

that was YOUR "god"

 

Just some higher being floating on by.
The fact that we often confuse them for God amuses them greatly.

On a related note - anyone ever notice how beings have so many eyes on acid?

 

Were you listening to music? or meditating or what? at the time

 

no i was watching spike fernstein* show. if thats how you spell it. then i closed my eyes and opened my other eye and saw it come from darkness

 

I had my first time last night. Took one tab and mixed it with 3 parachutes of pure MDMA. It was pretty fun, the body high was amazing. I couldn't look away from the ceiling, I kept seeing too many neat and bright patterns that would change while the roof was breathing. Also when I looked off the belcony, There were a pile of leaves, and they were covered in snow, THEY LOOKED LIKE GLOW IN THE DARK FROGS? It was insanity. Anyways, it was a really good time except I didn't sleep all night.

 

Musta been some good 'cid!

 

thats what im saying but ive only done it once

 

that makes a lot of sense actually

i have confused them for god a lot and it seems like they always get a kick out of it when i do

i have never exited this "door in my mind" though, i feel like everythings pointing me to do this but at the same time telling me not to, its very confusing

 

ive realized this is all cyber talk by now, so iam reading each thing for how i hear it, not how you hear it, its funny how each thing could sound different lol

 

And you know this how?
Do you talk with these "higher beings" over a cup of coffee and have a laugh at how amused they get at this mistaken identity.

Why do people always have to associate the thoughts, visions, and sounds encountered during a psychedelic experience as having originated from outside themselves?
From my fair amount of experience with these substances EVERYTHING encountered during the experience is derived from the content of your own mind and memories.
I very strongly believe that when you view these occurences as deriving from your own self, they have much more to teach.

That is my opinion and is subject to change upon further research and revelation, but in thirty years it aint happened yet.

 

i agree 100%; trips are an entirely internal phenomenon, though their effects spill out into the "external" phenomena (eg. friends) and are bounced back (eg. contact high) and influence the trip, so the entire process ends up being internal and external in dialogue, but the primary speaker is the drugs effect on the mind

 

You and I tend to agree on a good deal concerning these topics.:cheers2:

I also feel that to attribute the "lessons" or insights, whether positive or negative, acquired from these experiences to an outside entity or force or presence or "machine elves" or whatever, is a way, whether conscious or not, of diverting responsibility for these experiences away from ones self.
I learn a HELL of a lot more by owning them and accepting the responsibility for their generation as well as their resolution, regardless if it's good or bad, then I would if I just attributed them to some outside force.

 

man i know there has to be some outside realms that LSD lets you visit i dont think the mind is just a tool of the brain i think there is much more behind it than just that. Do these other creatures exist? i believe so.

 

your western upbringing made you believe that you are your mind, and that your mind is just an accidental unintended consequence of your post-monkey body having a brain.

but really, there are many, many ways of looking at the situation. I mean, can you point to anything in this universe that is not your mind? Anything you point to, you point to because you have some conception of, and are pointing to that which your mind tells you "is there".

saying that it's "just" your mind is like saying that we live in "just" a universe.

 

i do not believe that everything i see is "just" my mind. i believe that what i see from color to shape is what my brain shows me because thats what it is "programmed" to show me against my will. isnt it strange that with the chemical change within this brain can change your view of this outter world? now think of the possibilities our brain has... now think of the possibilities our mind has?

 

This is how I view it.
First off we need to understand that brain does not equal mind.

We exist in a universe that is comprised of energy and matter. Energy in all its different states is all the same and is expressed as the electro-magnetic spectrum.
Same stuff, just different velocities, temps, and wavelengths.
Matter also takes many forms also dictated by velocity, temp and wavelength.
To this we add the fact that matter and energy are interchangeable at the quantum level.

Now into this mix we throw another element which is consciousness or spirit, soul, or whatever the term of the day is. I think you know what I mean.
These three are each unique aspects of our universe.

I feel that our awareness or spirit or soul needs to exist in a material plane in order to experience itself. "We" are not that material thing which the soul is existing in, but we are inexplicably intertwined with it due to the necessity to experience.

We are also not what is termed "mind". We are subliminal to that level of awareness we call mind.
Our true being transcends mind and body.
Our brain and nervous system is the material apparatus that gathers and conveys the experience of the material plane and presents it to our soul.

Mind, I feel, is that congruence between the spiritual and physical planes of existence in order for the soul or spirit to experience the phenomena of the material.
Mind is the "energy" that acts as a conduit for experience to be relayed to the soul.
These three are completely meshed and entwined with one another in such a way as the one could not exist without the other.
Mind is not a physical thing, nor is it the "spark of life" or soul. It lies in a hinterland between the two making the bridge between them.

When you take a psychedelic substance or practice deep meditation, you are effecting the way in which the physical apparatus conveys experience to the spirit via what we term "mind".

Our brains physically change as we collect information and form memories. We haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to understanding how memory functions, let alone how this convoluted three pound mass of jelly we call a brain functions.

To begin to attribute things encountered in a psychedelic experience to things outside of ourselves is a little premature considering how little we know about the systems involved.

I very strongly believe that most if not all aspects of a psychedelic experience can be understood and explained as functions of our nervous systems and does not require some outside force or entity.

Does that mean there are no outside forces or entities, no.
I feel that we tap into more of our brain and nervous system as well as change the manner and routes by which information is processed when we take these substances.

I know it may sound a little disjointed, to me it just "is". The gestalt of what I'm trying to say for a large part transcends language and really only is truly accessible and complete when I've taken a psychedelic. Weird isn't it how shit is like that with psychedelics. That is a true phenomenon termed "state bound knowledge" when information is available in an altered state of consciousness but not normal waking consciousness.

I have been working on writing up my thoughts on this, but as a lot of it is what is termed "state bound knowledge" it is much clearer when under the influence. Have to get some more mushrooms soon.

Well I've rambled enough for now.

 

I know this because I've seen him and he told me to tell you what up

 

Very true

The Tool song 'rosetta stoned', in my eyes, is about how we are able to attain these answers (the unattainable?) under the use of psychedellics, and that feeling that if we were able to hold onto them upon our return we could do postive work (save the world?) but we cannot hold onto it all.

"Overwhelmed as one would be, when placed in my position.
Such a heavy burden now to be the one.
Born to bear and read to all
The details of our ending.
To write it down for all the world to see.
But I forgot my pen"

And ultimately, the user returns to our base existence, with the most animalistic and earthly realisation... "STRAPPED DOWN MY BED. FEET COLD AND EYES RED.I'M OUT MY HEAD. AM I ALIVE, AM I DEAD? CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAID. GOD DAMN. SHIT THE BED!"

 

If you think your brain is showing you the universe in a certain pre-programmed way against your will, then this makes sense if you consider the brain as an apparatus for consciousness to deal with physical reality. As in, goggles are an apparatus for your vision to deal with the reality of distance. Brain as sense organ. What's so bad about this? Will you cut out your tongue because you have no choice in how things taste?

Here are your toys child, they may not be the best possible ones, but woe to he who throws his out in petulance.