i am very open minded to basically everything. more than that, i WANT to believe in "crazy" things. so when a good friend told me she was gonna go to the pagan club and see what its like, i went along. here's what happened we wound up staying there for three hours, most of the time sitting in a circle listening to people tell completely off the wall stories about the spirits/gods/entities of whatever sort that they encountered. the main story teller was this 24 year old guy with a beard and long hair who could have been a professor. me and my friend mostly listened, as the others laughed with each other. they seemed like a very happy group of people, which is what i need. i want to be a part of them. but i dont know if i can, since i dont know if i could ever believe in what they believe towards the end, i gathered some courage and asked them if there was any way they could prove to me that any of what they were saying was real. like arrange it so i can see it for myself. so the proffessor guy spent a minute or so summoning some sort of energy ball, with eyes closed. he looked like a sorcered. he then placed it in my hands. i had my eyes closed and was trying my best to meditate, to clear my mind. i felt nothing at all. i really felt genuinely bad, because i didnt want to make these people think i thought this was all BS. i had the imaginary ball in my hand, and the others said they could feel it. my friend said she could feel it. we tried this a few more times and i could not feel it at all. NOW, even if i could feel it, how would i not know it was placebo? im a psych major. i know how powerful the placebo effect can be. it can make you believe ANYTHING. can make you feel anything. its quite remarkable, but it is definetly not supernatural by any means. since im open minded, im going to go back next week. i really like the people in the group and want to be friends with them. but from my best guess, these people are deluding themselves. they, like me, WANT to believe in this mumbojumbo so much that they fool themselves into believing that its there. and when they hang out with each other, in that closeley knit group, they reinforce eachothers crazy beliefs. i was struck by the incredible lack of scientific consideration among these people. sometimes strange things are not supernatural, and can be explained logically. im not saying that all strange things are explainable in a scientific way, but these people did not even CONSIDER rational alternatives. why is that? maybe because they want to believe in it so much that they put their logical brains on hold? and of course, this explanation can be extended to all pagans, since i believe these people are good indicators of paganism in general I MAY BE WRONG. THIS WAS ONLY MY FIRST IMPRESSION. but please, someone, explain this stuff to me. how do you know for sure that these beings and forces or whatever are real?