i think that is wise, you were really not going anywhere and was stuck in a corner. now we may be able to get back to the I.D. card debate peacex
so charming, you are such a peaceful person are you not? luckily i hold othing agaisnt people, especially online. peace, love and understanding to you x
You know, it sounds like the people that are against I.D cards being introduced, have something to hide. What other reason could there be to be so against it?
i really do dislike this arguament, it holds no grounds, at present i break no real laws, apart from smoking weed casualy. i have nothing to hide, but have everything to defend. i will always defend my freedoms and liberties and if a bill is introduced to take those away i will always go against said Bill. some people still believe in the ideals behind a liberal democracy, y'know the one we are supposed to be defending in our war on terror yet as past of the war on terror are removing what we stand for peacex
Ah, that old chestnut. Personally I'm against having every movement and every transaction I make monitored to make sure I'm not doing anything the government doesn't like. The same government who threw an elderly politician out of a conference for heckling, citing the Terrorism Act to prevent him re-entering. The same government that came under so much criticism from the BBC a couple of years ago that they effectively forced a change of personnell in two of the highest positions in the company and had the journalist who broke the story sacked for 'not being unbiased'. We are slowly losing our right to criticise the government, which is supposed to be what democracy is all about.
What is wrong with having something to hide? The word "privacy" didn't come into being to protect criminal activities, but to describe the right to go about our daily lives without being watched and every move recorded somewhere. I regularly meet with an prominant active member of a protest group, and the thought of the Government taking on itself to "mark" me for later arrest should trouble in this field flare up does not exactly make me trust them with what I.D. cards will allow them to know about me. It will lead to people being wary of who they have as friends and who they're seen with. My feeling is that we're now at an important point in the road we've been on since the early 70's, at least as far as the U.K. is concerned. The gate to giving the Government full control of our liberty is locked. Once they have the key to open that gate, we give them the freedom to do whatever they like in the name of Anti-Terror.. Random searches.. House arrests.. How long before "accidental crimes" are included as justification for this kind of treatment? Being seen helping out a suspected terrorist with a loaf of bread simply because he's a neighbour? Maybe it's not what we're hiding that we don't want the Government to know about. Perhaps it's the fear of we will HAVE to hide to protet ourselves from them.
ID cards represent a reversal of our "common law" system towards one more in line with countries whose legal systems are based on the Napoleonic code. That is, traditionally we have for centuries been allowed to go about our business unhindered and without having to account for ourselves, in the assumption that we are free and innocent individuals and that the state has no business keeping tabs on us. Compulsory ID cards would make it an offence to exist in the country without proper authorisation to do so - it is a license to live. Where currently it is the responsibility of the state to prove it has the right to interfere with people's lives, the onus would instead be upon individuals to account for themselves at all times by proving they are properly licensed. Currently the police have to have reasonable grounds for stopping and searching people; with compulsory ID cards people would have to prove their right to walk the streets if challenged by authorities. Currently governments are invited to make decisions as guests of the people; with compulsory ID cards the population would only be permitted to live in the country as a guest of the government. Many people with nothing to "hide" object to this basic reversal of our long held principles of freedom. There is also plenty of evidence of the Terrorism Act being misused against political protestors. The more powers the police have and the fewer checks on their activity, the more abuse of that power becomes possible. The power of the government over the people must be kept in check. We are setting up the legal framework necessary for a police state to emerge. While it doesn't seem likely that a police state could emerge at the moment, we should be careful to preserve the safeguards which would prevent it happening if it ever should. The "those who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear" argument is frankly ridiculous.
Next would be a camera in your toilet the goverment wants to make sure you did not shove explosives up your ass.
Is this a forum for discusion, or a dictatorship, acording to the poll, 75% of you say I souldn't carry an ID card if I want to, and then screem about freedom of choice (am I missing something), and the people who go around saying "fuck Law enforcement" are the first ones at the front desk of a Police station when they have been mugged, or raped, or had there car stolen (I speak from vast experience). Asshole or not, the guy at the sharp end keeps our streets free of crime and keeps our borders safe in the defence of a Nation 99% of the time so 99% of us can sleep safe in our beds at night, and then have the freedom to bad mouth them in the morning. I havn't said I'm in favor of ID cards, in fact I've stated quite clearly on several occaisians that I'm undecided, but I'm at least , as I said , looking at both sides of the coin, and if I do the math proprtly, and draw the conclusion that carrying ID cards can help to defend unarmed civilians, men, woman, and children alike, then I see no problem in carrying one, I don't think however it should be compulsary, I just think if it can go towards stopping terrorism, then it's our responsability to carry one, but by choice.
your kidding, right? the freedom to carry a compulsary I.D. card? you can carry an I.D card now so whats your issue? define your version of freedom, do you have the freedom to murder an innocent person? i do not think we have the freedom to do things if they take away other freedoms which the I.D. card bill clearly does! i can look at both sides of the arguament, but after studying the Bill itself and its implications, i stand firmly against it, because i also have faith in what liberal democaracies stand for, and i believe in Human Rights, and civil liberties, so it leaves me with absolutely no choice to what i believe. i think your whole point of stopping terrorism is very naeive, could you tell me how it would stop terrorism, or are you accepting tabloid paper crap? the only major terrorist attack on the UK in recent years was done by our citizens? are you been taken in by America and its reasoning? peacex
I think Animalcrt5 is saying that if (s)he wants to then it is reasonable for him/her to carry an ID card, given that having non-compulsory ID it was one of the choices in the poll. It's been said by politicians on at least one occasion, however, that the ID bill is pointless if it is not made compulsory. At the minute there are other forms of ID which are not compulsory; the difference with this one is that it will be logged on a government database and will contain all sorts of biometric data, and all kinds of information on our whereabouts at different times and our financial transactions will be logged for future government use if necessary. This is what I'm against. At the moment there are forms of ID that can be used without threatening out privacy.
why bother to call or go to a police dept after the fact you were rob. or mug?. In America we found out the hard way if you dont arm your self your either dead or a victim . every state were conceal weapon licence were issue hard "violent" crime drop and big drop. "but this got nothing to do with the U.K of course" another thing is imposible for a adult this days not to carry some form of I.D since a Bank, night club, using a credit card, driving, and others requires a LEGIT I.D so i really cant see any adult not having 1 . But lets say they do what are they going to do = A RUTINE STOP ON EVERYONE TO MAKE " sure " THEY HAVE 1 OR MAKE SURE HE DID NOT LEAVE IT AT HOME.
Some of you people should watch some of the 1960s British tv program call = "The Prisoner". maybe you get an idea what is like to live in the famous = Village.
And yet you have more gun related crime than any other country in the western world, having said that, have you seen the new colt M733, it's like an M4, but a couple of inches shorter at the front and a fixed carry handle, if you trust me with your e-mail address, I'll send you a photo of mine, it's fitted witha silencer, an A.R.M.S.dog leg rail system from the carry handle which drops down on to the front furniture, on the top I've mounted an Edgar brothers mil spec red dot and on the front rail, just behined the fore sight I have a Surefire 6P screwed into a Sure fire end cap and pressure switch, I'm telling you, it will give you a hard on, in fact, you could check out our (unfinished website) at www.masterchiefs.co.uk, check out the 2 Para drag bag review, I go shooting with those guys all the time, they say the next time out, I can have a go with the barrett light 50, my e-mail address is animal@masterchiefs.fsnet.co.uk, you'll know what I mean when I say Animal is a call sighn, not just my handle, and don't worry, none of this is classified, you must have guest by now (Animal CRT5), like I keep saying, I agree with you, later goodbuddy, I'm out.
I don't see it as an issue of whether a person is capable of identifying his/herself when required with some sort of verification, more of whether we want the government to have all of our personal details, together with a record of where I have spent money and how much, and possibly even where I have been today. Having said that your post was incredibly difficult to read so I may have got the wrong idea entirely.
SAME can said for vehicles related death "400.000 each year" . while i hope you enjoy your Armalight a lot and get to shoot it as much as you can . I have a very low opinion on any M-16 "ORGINALLY armalight weapons" or spin offs . and no . The finest built 5.56mm rifle is the israeli Galil . modern wise i might trust something from HK OR Sig Sauer. but i still rather have a Galil . "not cheap to built either" . also any short barrel 5.56mm makes the velocity " FPS " drop quite a bit "bad news for a battle rifle" to reach 3.200 fps NEEDS at least a 20 inch Barrel .
