I can prove the existance of God. Right now.

Thought I might add.
Ever heard of those people who have Near Death Experiences, where they either visit heaven or hell?
Think they are all making it up?

 

Ah, you are correct, the veil of ether that is laying
over the Light of God behind His Cosmic Dream.
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are our dreams made up? Or are they real?
We can create life and death in them, we
can see entire universes and feel and see and hear
But are they made up?
Life is vibration,
a storm on the ocean of God's essence.

 

Infinity forgotten so soon? The idea that something can't come from nothing is just human prejudice? Then it is also just human experience! The idea of something coming from itself to no end, ends every equation to zero.

 

I think a large percentage of it is made up or exaggerated. People do tend to exaggerate a lot and so desperately want to believe in things that they can even believe their own exaggerations and lies over time. I mean really, have you seen some of the BS that religious people try and pass off as divine interventions! For christ sakes , go on youtube and type Bullshit!!




The actual NDE's that people are not exaggerating about are clearly common hallucinations of a brain in shock and shutting down. I've been knocked out and experienced the tunnel effect myself and I've also experienced a floating sensation under anesthesia. I understand that my delicately balanced chemical soup of an analogue mind sometimes relays false experiences and images that a religious mind would love to assume are links to some supernatural spirit world. Logically I know better because I accept the facts that evolution, science and biology of life make more sense than spirits and ghost stories. The fact is that we know people lie, we know people exaggerate and we know people hallucinate and it just so happens that ALL of these so called proofs of God and spirits only exist in this realm of LIES, EXAGERATIONS, and HALLUCINATIONS which means there really is no proof at all!!

 

And these stimuli tend to get interpreted by the dying person in terms of the beliefs of the culture (s)he's been raised in. I've had friends I know well and think of as sensible, level-headed people tell me they've had all kinds of weird shit happen to them--being cured of injuries by sleeping in a pyramid, seeing auras, etc. Do I believe them? No. It just makes me think even level-headed people can have hallucinations.

 

Well, there is surely something/someone keeping us believing and alive on this rather small, miserable little planet.. People have their own views, which is totally fine. God is just God. God can never really be revealed until after death, in my opinion, however I also believe God to be in everything. Nature, the air, everything. Thats just me.

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walk in peace

 

Me, too. I'll go along with at least that.

 

the universe, post big bang, is not infinite.
And yes, it is the vast majority of human experience that something comes from something else (chicken and the egg), however, it is also the vast majority of human experience that time is constant, and that effects come after the cause, but that doesn't mean that it neccessarily is.

and again it didn't come, it just was. you're equation is assuming 0+0+0=0, where as mine is just 1=1.

 

No. It's a law of physics, matter cannot be created or destroyed. Look it up.


About NDE's, I've given this some thought before, even if these NDE's are all in our heads and are hallucinations, can this qualify as an afterlife? Afterlife is a giant trip, and everyone gets their own personal version. I was thinking, what if everyone had their own heaven, so in, say, my grandfathers heaven, I've already died, and I'm talking to him right now. When I die, I have visions of talking to my grandfather, and in my grandfathers afterlife, at the same time, he's talking to "me" about something totally different.

Each of our heavens happens perfectly to fit what suits us best. Just something to think about. NDE's have been pretty much proven, and they have been almost proven to be hallucinations. But seriously, if you are totally convinced this hallucination is real, this can qualify as an afterlife!

By the way, people who have NDE's are totally brain-dead, meaning they're absolutely dead. I believe the most famous one was a man who was dead or two hours and came back through medical procedure. I mena, this man was DEAD. Flat dead. So if this occurs when people are dead, and they are conscious throughout it, isn't this an afterlife?

Someone else on this forum wrote this, I forget who, tell me if this is your work.

Here is every possible outcome of death.

Believe in God, God exists, go to heaven.
Don't believe in God, God exists, go to Hell.
Don't believe in God, God doesn't exist, no harm done, your dead either way.

So is'nt it VERY intelligent to believe in God since know one REALLY knows whats out there?

 

This is known as "Pascal's wager", and I criticized it on the "Agnostic Theist thread, which you can check out. In summary: (a) it bases belief on expediency; (b) it might not work; why should God reward you for hedging your bets? maybe (s)he would find that cowardly and intellectually dishonest;(c) you might bet on the wrong god; some gods, like Yaweh, are jealous; (d) it makes you vulnerable to the religious con artist who can come up with the scariest or most enticing afterlife, like those 40 virgins bin Laden is promising Muslim suicide bombers.

 

There is not one credible documented case of someone "coming back to life" once blood diffusion to the brain has stopped. Not one. Please make up better shit.

 

This is as ridiculous a statement as anything a goddie might come up with.

Presumption. It was, only in coming. I had not made an equation. Infinity is not 1 or 0.

 

Umm, Yeah, I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but there are a hell of a lot of cases of that. Use Google, and come back here and tell me what you find, ok?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_foam
~matter and antimatter being created that doesn't violate any laws of the conservation of energy. matter is created and destroyed ALL THE DAMN TIME (ask any physicist), y'know, the whole E=MC^2 thingy. it's just that the sum energy should come out to 0 (but doesn't always cause of the whole chaos thingy, look up hawking radiation).

I'm guessing you're still in high school, where they routinely lie to you because it's easier than explaining the truth (like the civil war was fought over slavery, or that the wind is caused by trees sneezing ((+2 points if you get the reference))).

 

E=MC^2 is about how much energy can be abstracted from a sum of matter traveling at the speed of light. E(energy) is M(mass) times C (speed of light, i don't know why it's C) squared. It has nothing to do with quantum foam. sorry.

 

I read about quantom foam, but read about the Uncertainty Principal. Those particles came from somewhere, another demension or universe or whatever. Also, who/what "creates these particles? Either way they came from somewhere. So my theory holds true.

 

I've already heard that before!

 

Om, the vibrational essence of existance, of course

 

You know there are some questions that doesn't have and will never have an answer just like "does god exists"
well, you will never know!!!